Date:         Tue, 4 Feb 2025 10:44:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Al Carey <careyald@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Al Carey <careyald@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: AI Engine Status For Vanagon Owners
In-Reply-To:  <5FF3119F-1285-4574-942D-3E39B6669754@markmcculley.com>
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Are the archives of this list available to the public? Sounds like a great resource for a Vanagon newbie such as myself.

Thanks,
Al 

> On Feb 4, 2025, at 10:27 AM, Mark McCulley <mark@markmcculley.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions Derek. I've dabbled with AI, mostly ChatGPT and Gemini. I was underwhelmed with the information I got from Gemini, it would give me answers that I knew to be incorrect and then when I corrected it, it said something to the effect, "sorry, you are correct..." After a few instances of this I lost trust and quit using Gemini. That was about a year or so ago though and I suspect things have improved since then.
> 
> -Mark
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2025, at 6:35 PM, Derek Drew <derekdrew@DEREKMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> The potential of AI is determined by your imagination. If you have no
>> imagination and are not curious, you won't use it.
>> 
>> If I were tuning an AI engine someday, I would tell it to pay special
>> attention to everything Dennis Haynes says and some other people. Or, if
>> you have access to the archives of this list, you can actually read
>> everything he ever wrote. I have every email on this list from 1994 and
>> will feed it to AI one of these days somehow.
>> 
>> Make sure all of the following are quick links in your browser bookmarks
>> bar. And yes, you need them all because often, only one or two of them will
>> be best at what you want them to do. If you only use one, you will
>> constantly be crashing your car into a tree.
>> 
>> A+ https://www.perplexity.ai* Real Time Search plus AI*
>> A https://claude.ai Anthropic backed by Google and Amazon
>> A https://chatgpt.com OpenAI
>> A- https://gemini.google.com Google, a little behind
>> B+ https://copilot.microsoft.com Microsoft, a little behind
>> B https://grok.com Elon Musk
>> B- https://www.meta.ai Zuckerberg
>> B - https://chat.mistral.ai French Dudes
>> C+ https://chat.deepseek.com** China came from behind
>> *Consider the paid version of Perplexity and consider attaching
>> OpenAI/ChatGPT to this as I do to get the A+
>> **It may be some days until Deepseek is available again. ACTUALLY, the best
>> way to use Deepseek is to use it via Perplexity because then your queries

>> don't go through China and get recorded by China. With that concern erased,
>> (Deepseek + Perplexity COMBO) might be in the very top tier of these links.
>> 
>> There is also a Vanagon focused AI but I have not tested it yet, here:
>> https://chatgpt.com/g/g-NL7QcdICZ-vanagon-maintenance-guide
>> 
>> Forward this list to whoever you think.
>> 
>> Over time, you should be paying for some of these and some of them you can
>> keep using as the free versions.
>> 
>> Don't want to pay?????
>> 
>> There was a time when you did not want to pay to have a cell phone. But
>> none of us would turn our cell phones in these days in order to save the
>> fee.
>> 
>> Think about it.