Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 02:00:21 +0000
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Vanagon weights
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Go to page B3 and also check out note "A" on the bottom.
http://www.tiresafety.com/images/Tire%20Replacement%20Manual.pdf
For your tire regardless of the max inflation pressure on the sidewall there is no capacity increase over 35 psi. Handling and fuel economy benefit only.
That tire also tops out at 1,433 pounds capacity minus 10 % leaves only 1,290 or 2,580 pounds/axle. This tire is not appropriate for a fully loaded vanagon. During your next trip stop at a truck stop and see what your actual weight is to see if you are at or under the 2,580 pounds/axle.
Dennis
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From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Edward V Barger
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 12:51 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Vanagon weights
Thanks have noted the the door frame just want to find out what the wisdom of the group knew beyond that
Have always wondered if I should add pressure when loaded for camping ?
Front load I weigh 160 wife 104 the solar panel over the luggage rack adds about 30 and we end up with aprox 50 in the bag in the luggage rack
The pup adds 60 pounds he is either on the back seat or on the floor between the front seats I added a seat belt receiver so he can be strapped in
on the floor in the by the back seat usually two coolers strapped down they weigh with ice etc aprox 50 each
Then in the rear over the engine aprox another 50
Usually do not fill up the water tank until we are close to the camping site no sense lugging extra weight
ed
Uniroyal P205/70R14 93T M+S
Edward V Barger
edvbarger@mac.com
310 922 6251
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 8:18 AM, David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> For factory specification tires, the tire psi is on a placard inside
> the driver's side door. For my 1991 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile,
> with 185R14C (what is commonly called "six ply rating"), the
> recommended pressures are 43 psi front, 53 psi rear. I run 195R14D,
> but since this is a listed alternative, with no different psi
> recommendation stated, I run the pressure recommended for the 185R14C.
>
> There is a calculation for pressure as loaded weight increases, up to
> a maximum of 65 psi, based on loaded weight. BTW, the tire placard
> recommended pressure assumes two adults and a modest amount of cargo
> to give a loaded weight well under maximum capacity. Until I really
> load up for camping, I just use the placard pressure. But when I do
> load up, I add up to 5 psi depending on how much extra weight I have.
> I have never had any problem with the handling of the camper, or the behavior of the tires.
> I have never run the camper without at least "C" rated tires, usually D.
> Load rating for my current tires is 105 (Vredestein Comptrac all
> weather with mountain snowflake symbol). Someone posted that these
> tires are no longer available, however. If so, that is a disappointment.
>
> mcneely
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Edward V Barger <edvbarger@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> So what tire pressure F & R do you recommend?
>>
>> The same when it is fully loaded?
>>
>> The VW reconditioned?
>>
>> Have 14 inch wheels
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The front is close or heavier with the vans nearly empty. The front
>> passengers sit directly over the front wheels but after that
>> everything added adds weight to the rear. The recommended air
>> pressures should accommodate the fully loaded permissible axle weight
>> ratings which are slightly higher for the rear axle. The other reason
>> for a lower pressure in the front is to provide a better ride, effect
>> the steering response and induce some understeer.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David McNeely [mailto:davmcneely40@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 3:13 PM
>>> To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: Vanagon weights
>>>
>>> So, if the front is heavier than the rear, why the 10 psi higher
>>> tire
>> pressure recommendation for the rear? That is certainly counter intuitive.
>>> mcneely
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Dennis Haynes
>>> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com<
>> mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> As some may recall I recently acquired a vehicle weighing system.
>>> Scales
>> for all 4 wheels going go the wireless display. Recently I did a
>> suspension upgrade on an 88 Westy using Schwenk Springs and T3 front
>> bushings and stuff. The owner was nice enough to pretty much have it
>> emptied for me as I was doing a lot of interior electrical work. It
>> does have a house battery under the driver's seat. To my surprise the
>> van weighed in at 970 pounds all 4 corners. 3,880 pounds. Adding
>> weight, My 190 pounds going in and walking around, it was amazing to
>> see how the weight gets distributed to at least 3 wheels. Adding shim
>> to the left rear to take out that sagging look also took weight off
>> the left front and threw some 200 pounds on the right front. As I always thought one should not just shim one corner. Now I know.
>> What really surprises me is the front-rear balance. On empty 2WD the
>> front has actually been heavier than the rear. Explains the lack of
>> snow performance.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>
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