Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 16:04:12 -0500
Reply-To: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Fixed dash lights, not certain how.
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According to the diagram it did. Later years don't.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
> heh. "Sadly", no magic smoke released; our fellow campers ended up
> with a lack lustre afternoon. LOL.
>
> I see earlier BA6 diagrams in my Bentley but the are quite similar (to
> my untrained eye) to the later style. I may peruse the Diesel Vanagon
> BA6 diagrams.
>
> The dash lights did work then after the owner took it for a drive,
> they failed. I checked light operation while fuse panel was lowered
> but did not check them after re-attaching the fuse panel. I'm
> suspecting a rogue wire or other part above fuse panel is causing the
> short. Maybe a wire from the load side of the fuse slipped off when
> panel was lowered for the headlight relay install (by someone else).
> It's that or something to do with the decomissioned fog lights; that
> circuit may still be live though I found no power at wire that was
> connected to lights at bumper area.
>
> The 50 wire must've connected to the brake light module at one point.
> The shrink wrap that covered the now removed terminal does not look
> OEM at all.
>
> Neil.
>
> On 12/15/16, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote:
> > Too bad it's an '85. '84 and earlier would have smoked the harness and
> let
> > you know right away where the short was. ;-)
> >
> > BA6 diagram in Bentley is only for 2.1l with the new fuse block, so no
> help
> > with the specifics of how that one was put in.
> >
> > I've got no clue why they ran 50 to the brake/seat belt light module. I
> > can't even see them in daylight, so I drilled a hole in the brake one to
> > let the light out, and I ignore the other one. Perhaps it's a trigger to
> > start a timeout for the belt one after you start the engine?
> >
> > Yrs,
> > d
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all.
> >>
> >> Im far from home on a road trip, traveling with a friend who owns an
> 1985
> >> westy. All of his dash lights were out. The S13 blade type fuse had
> >> failed.
> >> A new fuse also failed. The following systems are present but
> >> decommissioned: aux ba6 gas heater, Anti theft devices, possible fog
> >> light
> >> relay, "factory" looking fog light switch at RH side of instrument
> >> cluster.
> >>
> >> Though I thought we'd found the short, and though I "fixed" his dash
> >> lights, I'm not certain the cause of fuse failure was really resolved. I
> >> originally thought a damaged (exposed copper) piggybacked wire off the
> 30
> >> wire to the gas heater relay was shorting to the frame causing fuse S13
> >> to
> >> blow, but that wire tested for battery voltage in spite of the fuse in
> >> question being blown. And, looking at the wiring diagrams, I don't see
> >> S13
> >> involved with the gas heater circuits. Does the gas heater use s13 in
> any
> >> way?
> >>
> >> All told, I cleaned up the anti theft wiring, capped and,or repaired
> >> various stock wires at cluster and dash, removed some non op wires,
> >> installed a new dahs light, added shrink wrap and tape to non insulated
> >> exposed terminals at what is likely the fog light relay.
> >>
> >> It's possible the exposed terminals at the loose mystery relay,
> >> remaining
> >> dangling exterior fog light wire (end rested on frame, albeit a dirty
> >> connection if any) could've been the source of the short but im
> concerned
> >> only I "fixed" the problem by inadvertently moving a shorting out wire
> or
> >> whatever away from frame metal and that the issue may happen again.
> >>
> >> This is a separate issue, but does the 50 wire to the brake warning
> light
> >> simply turn off the light when cranking engine? That wire has been
> >> removed
> >> from the connector. It was likely used as part of a starter motor anti
> >> theft device.
> >>
> >>
> >> TIA a bunch,
> >>
> >> Neil.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Neil n
> >>
> >> Blog: Vanagons, Westfalia, general <http://tubaneil.blogspot.ca>
> >>
> >> 1988 Westy Images <https://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/New1988Westy>
> >>
> >> 1981 Westfalia "Jaco" Images, technical
> >> <http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/>
> >>
> >> Vanagon-Bus VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Neil n
>
> Blog: Vanagons, Westfalia, general <http://tubaneil.blogspot.ca>
>
> 1988 Westy Images <https://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/New1988Westy>
>
> 1981 Westfalia "Jaco" Images, technical <http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/>
>
> Vanagon-Bus VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay>
>
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