Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:20:43 -0300
Reply-To: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
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From: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
Subject: Re: Starter related question.
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Dennis:
The GoWesty starter is nice, but almost $500 CAD by the time it gets here. I can get a Bosch SR0408x plus adapter and relay for about 50-60% of that amount. Granted, the WBX prolly doesn’t need the cranking power of the diesel starter and the lower power draw of the GW starter would be nice, but …. I just bought an LT and have made an offer on a 1.6TD Westy … while $200 on a starter is a small saving, I’m sure it will need to be spent elsewhere.
I see other aftermarket starters for sale, but am loath to try one.
Roy
> On 15-Jul-2016, at 09:51, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> No need to remove the throttle body, but removing the boot helps to reach that nut. The GW starter is also a great option and the better solenoid eliminates the benefit of adding a helper relay.
>
> Dennis,
> From my phone.
> ________________________________
> From: Roy Nicholl<mailto:RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
> Sent: 7/15/2016 7:17 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Subject: Re: Starter related question.
>
> That was my assessment of the situation. I was a little confused by the “remove the throttle body”, then I realized he was talking about going at the starter from the top. I plan to tackle it from underneath.
>
> Once I have confirmation the starter is indeed dead, I am debating a shift to a TDi starter (SR0408X) w/ adaptor, rather than another WBX starter. It still looks like I should have room to install the larger starter without having to remove an axle.
>
>> On 14-Jul-2016, at 21:54, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> If It Is a 2WD there is no reason to remove anything other than the Cables & SecuringBolts ~
>>
>> Access is QuiteGood from DownUnder, Preferably with the BackEnd Up On Ramps ~
>>
>> Battery Should, OfCourse, be disconnected 1st ~
>>
>> ORR ~ DeanB
>>
>>
>> On 14 Jul , 2016, at 3:46 PM, C. Abney wrote:
>>
>>> Things you have to remove to pull the starter: the battery
>>> ground(:-*), and (probably) the throttle body. At least, doing that
>>> makes removing that long hex head screw easy.
>>>
>>> I don't think you have to remove the axle. I can't say for sure
>>> though, because when I removed the starter on my vanagon I had already
>>> removed the axles.
>>>
>>> On 7/13/16, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Tuesday morning we had a “no crank” situation in the Hyena (’88 2.1 WBX) and
>>>> were “late for swimming lessons” as I shifted the kid pod from the Westy
>>>> back to "Mom’s car”.
>>>>
>>>> My multimeter and kit is at another location - I’ll fetch it on Friday - but
>>>> today at lunch I had 15-minutes so I pulled the plug off the ignition switch
>>>> and stuck a strand of 14/2 Nomax between 12V and 50. I head what sounded
>>>> like the solenoid “slam” into place, but only the once. I then went aft
>>>> with my stand of 14/2 and bridged #50 at the solenoid … nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Batter seems fine … according to the simple meter on the charger … will
>>>> measure this again with multimeter.
>>>>
>>>> So it is looking like the {original} starter has packed it in … I’ll go out
>>>> on Saturday morning with the meter just to make certain I’m getting all the
>>>> required voltage at all the required places.
>>>>
>>>> While I was under there, I noted there is nothing attached to #16 on the
>>>> solenoid … isn’t there suppose to be a connection to the ignition system
>>>> (coil) here?
>>>>
>>>> Let’s assume I need to replace the starter.
>>>> 1) Do I really need to disconnect the right axle to do this {as I was told
>>>> over the phone today}? It looks like I should be able to get at all the
>>>> bolts (after a little cleaning) … not as easy as the ’66, but should be
>>>> possible.
>>>> 2) Is there an improvement that can be made over the OEM starter? {i.e.
>>>> something like a starter from a mk2 jetta i4 that is cheaper to procure}
>>>> 3) Is a rebuilt starter worth the cost savings (50%)?
>>>> 4) Was there any significant change in the starter over the years? The
>>>> Hyena is a 1988, but I know of a possible ’84 donor nearby.
>>>>
>>>> I also noted a couple more ground straps that need cleaning/attention
>>>> (including the one between the solenoid and starter) … I’ll take care of
>>>> these before ordering a new starter. I’ve never had a starter fail
>>>> completely w/o any prior warning before, so I’m not 100% convinced I do not
>>>> have another notoriously bad ground/earth.
>>>>
>>>> I may as well use this as an opportunity to remove all that current from the
>>>> ignition switch and install some additional relays.
>>>>
>>>> Roy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> There's no .sig like the present
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