Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:35:25 -0700
Reply-To: Rick Cooper <rickdcooper@GMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Rick Cooper <rickdcooper@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Shifting problems -- pilot bearing?
In-Reply-To: <57067B9C.1040709@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks Jon, the picture helped.
Mark, you totally nailed it. I had put that plate on the rearward side of
the two ears sticking out from the transmission. Took me 15 minutes to
swap it around and now my shifter goes nicely into all gears. Thanks so
much -- I can't think how I would have ever figured out that mistake.
That's the value of this list, people sharing with others the benefit of
their experience. And this list is based on the work of computer
programmers freely sharing their skills and experience, including those who
originally built the internet. I spent much of my career in IT; we need to
keep these fundamental assets (knowledge and its means of access) as free
and publicly available as possible. Okay, off my soapbox.
Thanks again, Rick
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Jon VonOhlsen <jondvo@gmail.com> wrote:
> The photo show the plate that the bushing is bolted to, using 2 bolts. The
> bushing is to the right in the photo, if reversed, will lead to shift
> problems.
> Jon
>
>
>
> On 4/6/2016 7:31 PM, Rick Cooper wrote:
>
>> Jon, that's what I was trying to do when I shortened the overall shift
>> rod: I loosened the pinch clamp and pushed the two rods (front and rear)
>> together. Scott suggests that will not do what I was thinking might be
>> the
>> problem: the shift lever was not throwing the shift rod far enough to
>> engage the two gears in that same direction, i.e. second and fourth. I'll
>> check the adjustment FAQ on the Samba, thanks for the reference.
>>
>> I'd like to follow up Mark's suggestion, but what is the rear guide
>> bushing
>> plate? It's been three months since I put in this tranny so memory is
>> likely failing, but I don't recall anything like that. Is it external to
>> the tranny or where? Is the idea that it is somehow interfering with the
>> shift linkage?
>>
>> Thanks guys for the help, much appreciated.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:35 PM, John Rodgers <jrodgers113@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Scott, thanks for posting about that bearing. I couldn't remember what had
>>> to be done - stroke brain - but I knew it was something. This will solve
>>> a
>>> lot of trouble later.
>>>
>>> John
>>> On Apr 6, 2016 17:57, "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <
>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark's post below is spot on.... for something to make sure is right.
>>>>
>>> It's
>>>
>>>> an easy mistake to make as the bracket fits on the trans two ways, and
>>>>
>>> only
>>>
>>>> one way is right.
>>>>
>>>> fwiw ..that movement of the slpines thing didn't make total sense to me
>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>> the OP's post..that just moves the shift knob closer or further from the
>>>> dash.
>>>> doesn't really affect shifting ..or shift travel, that much.
>>>>
>>>> the only 'particulars' about using the DV pilot brg is it sticks out of
>>>> the crankshaft a tiny bit, and some clearance needs to be machined in
>>>> the
>>>> centerbore of the waterboxer flywheel on the crankshaft side.
>>>>
>>>> scott
>>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2016 11:39 AM, John Rodgers wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Regards the pilot bearing - I understand that the pilot bearing can be
>>>> replaced by using the sealed diesel pilot bearing, thereby never again
>>>> having to worry about the felt washer being inplace to keep dirt and
>>>> grit
>>>> out and having the brass ring inside the flywheel to keep the felt
>>>> washer
>>>> in place - the brass that macine shops tend to knock out, lose, and
>>>>
>>> never
>>>
>>>> replace - leaving your bearing felt to come off and expose it to grit
>>>> and
>>>> dust.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to look into the particulars of using this diesel
>>>> bearing.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> On Apr 6, 2016 15:12, "vw_van_fan_Mark" <madvws@cox.net> <
>>>> madvws@cox.net>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is usually caused by putting the rear guide bushing plate on the
>>>> wrong side of the 2 bolt ears that are on the side of the transmission.
>>>> Make sure that plate is on the forward side of those 2 ears.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> Rick Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally got back to my '83 project van. I'd replaced the tranny a few
>>>> months ago but for unrelated reasons had to leave the project for a few
>>>> months. Finally, took it for a test drive today. Initially had
>>>> problems
>>>> finding gears, but much of that was sorted out by following the
>>>> Bentley's
>>>> shift linkage adjustment procedure.
>>>>
>>>> However, the biggest and unresolved problem is that it simply will not
>>>> shift into second or fourth gear. The shift lever simply feels blocked
>>>> from accessing second or fourth and if I apply pressure I get the
>>>> unhappy
>>>> sound of gears grinding. I shortened up the shift rod by moving the
>>>> front
>>>> shift rod further into the splines in the rear shift rod, but that
>>>> didn't
>>>> seem to help. Is this symptomatic of a bad pilot bearing (which I
>>>>
>>> didn't
>>>
>>>> replace but probably should have) or what?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Rick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
| 
