Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:45:44 -0600
Reply-To: Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Trying to understand starter stuff adding a relay
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My issue was just a click from solenoid after a rebuild for slow cranking
came back with new solenoid
Velma 82 1.9L AAZ TD Westy
On Dec 24, 2014 9:41 AM, "Jeff Palmer" <jpalmer@mymts.net> wrote:
> It hasn't helped my slow cranking when hot problem though.
>
> Jeff
> 85 westfalia with original starter (maybe that's the problem!)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 24, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >
> > It really helped my Westy from going click multiple times before
> cranking.
> > Now it cranks immediately
> >
> > Velma 82 1.9L AAZ TD Westy
> >> On Dec 24, 2014 8:22 AM, "Miguel Pacheco" <mundopacheco@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A timely warning. A PO crudely wired in a Hard Start Relay on one of my
> >> current Syncro projects. I backed it into a parking space at the office
> >> (backing in required/company policy,) and left it in reverse, sans
> >> emergency brake (not working.) The solenoid somehow became energized and
> >> the van powered over the cement parking stop and across the sidewalk,
> >> nestled itself against the office building, where it continued cranking
> >> until the battery died. I snipped that rat's nest out of there and now
> >> can't find it to inspect it for exact point of failure. The relay was
> >> exposed, hanging next to the tranny, there was about 6' of extra wire
> all
> >> coiled up with connections crudely twisted on and held with gobs of
> >> electrical tape. Still, the point is that, even if done right, it is an
> >> added point of failure. A potentially dangerous one.
> >> I have installed a new Starter and properly restored the wiring to
> stock. A
> >> slow turning starter condition still exists and, as Dennis advises, I
> know
> >> that it doesn't need an added relay, but, clearly, the PO thought it
> did.
> >>
> >> *Miguel*
> >>
> >> *The free soul is rare, but you know it when you see it- basically
> because
> >> you feel good, very good, when you are near or with them. *
> >> *- Charles Bukowski, Tales of Ordinary*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In know there are many that see this as an upgrade but in fact you are
> >>> just adding another failure point. For all of our vans the original
> >> design
> >>> has lasted for 23 years + with maybe a few switch failures. Things
> fail.
> >>> The really does nothing to help a slow turning starter. All it does is
> >>> help get the starter solenoid to pull the gear out and make the contact
> >> for
> >>> the starter motor. The other point of failure is these relays can fail
> >>> closed. That makes for bad day. The relay used for this should be of a
> >> type
> >>> designed for an inductive load (arching) and be of a double break,
> spring
> >>> loaded design. If installed in the engine compartment or otherwise
> >> outside
> >>> it should also be sealed or at least enclosed to keep most weather out.
> >>>
> >>> Slow turning starters are usually a sign of a bad battery, cables, or
> the
> >>> starter itself. For an upgrade ask for 87 and later as they are
> slightly
> >>> higher horsepower, (.8 instead .7). I know Bosch is our preferred brand
> >> but
> >>> I have had many over the years that were not right. The relationship of
> >>> volts/amps/power gets very complex with these types of motors but if a
> >> new
> >>> starter is slow to turn testing needs to be done to establish why. I
> find
> >>> that if I get a bad starter it is usually a batch problem so the next 3
> >> or
> >>> 4 will also be bad. I have recently had very good luck with starters
> and
> >>> alternators from NAPA and AutoZone.
> >>>
> >>> Merry Christmas
> >>> Dennis
> >>
>
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