Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 00:41:20 -0500
Reply-To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Propex alternative? and Fan 12 volt ceiling fan.
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Dennis
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Rocket J Squirrel
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Propex alternative? and Fan
$100 for a 12V fan? I have a $20 fan of the same size. What I'd like to find
is the 12V equivalent of a large household low-speed ceiling fan that gently
wafts the hot air down on to me.
--
Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott
1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
Bend, Ore.
On 11/04/2013 05:30 PM, Jonce Fancher wrote:
> Here is the Fan I have in my Vanagon.
> http://www.goodboatgear.com/detail/7400/%20Sirocco%20DC%20Fans
> Great Fan, Not cheap seen for 80 to 180 bones pending where you shop.
> Got as a gift from Santa one year. 3 speed LOW power consumption and
> Quiet. Auto shut off times 2-8 hours.
> Great to move air and equal out the hot and cold spots of a heater.
> Think it is .4 or less amp draw. but can not confirm. also shuts off
> if power is to low around 10 volts.
> In winter I use my R-8 Thermal upstairs and the fan. Going to try
> Candle heat this cold spell and see what happens.
>
> Jonce
>
>> Ol Al writes to say, "Lighting one candle with nominal airflow will
>> keep the inside warmish until you can caffeine or mate' up"
>>
>> I used to use one of the smaller Dietz kerosene lanterns lit inside
>> the Westy for (a) light and (b) quite perceptible heat in your colder
>> evenings. They are quite nice and the added warmth is welcome. The
>> soot blackening the overhead, not so much. I have since added LED
>> lighting strips and have relegated the lantern to the outside. The
>> new inside lights provide much nicer lighting but, since they are so
>> darn efficient, kick off no heat. Lose one, win one.
>>
>> "Several of our esteemed adventurers keep the lid up but with a heat
>> isolating membrane over the upstairs to keep a modicum of the
>> expensive hot air (we see a lot of that around these days) in the cabin."
>>
>> I sleep on the downstairs bed with my head toward the front of the van.
>> On your more frigid nights -- like in the teens -- I definitely feel
>> a downdraft from the upper deck onto my head. I wonder about having
>> some kind of fabric snap-in seal that would close off of the upper
>> deck and prevent that downdraft.
>>
>> And in the morning, arising when it is in the low-30s (F) or lower in
>> the van, I fire up the Mr. Heater Buddy (for about 30 minutes, that
>> thing chews through 16.4oz bottles of propane at a fearsome rate, and
>> a Propex heater would empty the van's stock tank quickly, too) before
>> bringing in the preheated kerosene heater and think to myself, I think:
>> sure a lot of hot air up in the top of this thing, sure wish I had a
>> gentle ceiling fan to bring that hot air down to me where I am
>> sitting, wrapped in woolens and down.
>>
>> --
>> Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott
>> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
>> Bend, Ore.
>>
>> On 11/04/2013 01:47 PM, Al Knoll wrote:
>>> Following the thread along. Seems there are several popular heater
>>> types, ranging from the unglazed ceramic inverted on the westy
>>> stove, to full blown furnaces (propex is a furnace). Coleman (RIP) had
>>> propane catalytics for years and mine still work pretty well. Then
>>> other radiant heaters like buddys, black cats, and so on rounding
>>> out the bunch, with the exception of Rocket's kero blaster they all
>>> run on either petrol or LPG. Now since amount of energy going from
>>> fuel to water and CO2 is gained by breaking CH bonds is proportional
>>> to the number of bonds broken in the process, the most efficient is
>>> the Kero using long chain hydrocarbons as the energy source. The
>>> least efficient is the Propane. So for more BTU per buck stick with
>>> the most efficient.
>>>
>>> Lighting one candle with nominal airflow will keep the inside
>>> warmish until you can caffeine or mate' up. Several of our esteemed
>>> adventurers keep the lid up but with a heat isolating membrane over
>>> the upstairs to keep a modicum of the expensive hot air (we see a
>>> lot of that around these days) in the cabin. Bob has one I think.
>>> A sleepytime hat will do wonders for those of little thatch. And I
>>> use a makeshift shawl around my shoulders made of dead synchilla
>>> skins, adjusted to cover those nasty drafts.
>>>
>>> Oh ya, I do have a wondrous old propex which whines away under the
>>> seat on occasion.
>>>
>>> Some years a go a fellow in colorado made and marketed a certified
>>> radiant heater with an exhaust system to vac the nasties outside.
>>> Disremember the fellow and the name of the heater.
>>>
>>> The organic squirrel coats can be a problem as the squirrels tend to
>>> come out of hibernation and scurry around inside the coat.
>>>
>>> Pensionerd.,
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