Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:45:04 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Low compression,
more test results-busaid inying used vans! Traveling far from
home!
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The 2.1L in my 90Westy4spd2wd had 136000mis on it & was still running
very strong when I pulled
it to put in SubyEJ25. If it wasn't for my desire for more power,
better MPGs, & newer tech I suspect that
it would still be running strong with another 40000mis on it.
Here is a link to a Vid' of it just prior to its removal from my Westy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=equCCkWOC0o
Those are 235/75r15s on 15" Eurovan SteelWheels on the rear in case
anyone is curious ~ 225/60r15s
on the front. Yakima rack on YakimaTopLoader "false gutters" on the
roof .
I still enjoy replaying this every now & then.
ORR ~ DeanB
On 9 Sep , 2012, at 9:17 PM, Stuart MacMillan wrote:
> I had 230k on my original 1984 1.9 when I decided to put in a used
> 2.1 that
> blew up in 6000 miles. The original engine ran fine but was weak
> and I was
> tired of it. Bad idea, and I wish I had that core now. The heads
> were
> re-done at 60k by the dealer under a partial warranty (VW bought new
> heads)
> and that was it.
>
> I switched to Dexcool coolant when it became available, ran Red Line
> 20w-50
> for the last 50k, used MMO and CD2 detergent additives periodically
> when the
> lifters got noisy, but that was before the era of high detergent top
> tier
> gas, which I run now. The engine had no crud build up anywhere when
> I broke
> it down, unlike my current 1.9 that had a quarter inch of crud
> inside the
> valve covers.
>
> I don't think I'll mess with another 2.1 for 8 extra hp after my
> previous
> experiences with them though.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Dennis Haynes
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 12:49 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Low compression, more test results-bus
>
> I have a few customers that have gone over 200K on water boxers. It is
> possible. Maintenance, monitoring, and driving right is the key.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neil n [mailto:musomuso@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 1:08 PM
> To: Dennis Haynes
> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> Subject: Re: Low compression, more test results-busaid inying used
> vans!
>
> So the WBX isn't that much, or at all, different than most engines.
>
> Good piece of mind to know.
>
> I'd rather see some use from this engine. Clearly I have lots more
> to learn
> about it, but at the very least what I've done has improved it.
> I have no idea who did what work to it, but for sure a head was
> replaced.
> (says AMC on it. Thanks Scott for that tip). Hopefully they did that
> job and
> other work correctly.
>
> Of course driving any engine with a bad noise or similar is not my
> MO, but
> if I had to do so, chances are i could limp it at least to a main
> road for
> AAA help.
>
> An oil pressure gauge install is imminent.
>
> For a person in my position however, (as with Stuart too?) the
> gamble is
> being too far away from home if something dire happened to the
> engine. At
> that point, my best hope would be a used engine install to get me
> home so I
> could start my engine swap work.
>
>
>
> Neil.
>
> On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Dennis Haynes
> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You would be surprised at the engines noises I have heard over the
>> years in vehicles driven to me. Often as the noises begin even with
>> oil pressure lights flickering many folks are either ignorant or in
> denial.
>>
>> Engines really exist in two varieties, healthy or not! Failures
>> rarely
>> occur without cause or warning. On most engines valve wear, seating,
>> guides and cylinder head sealing are the weak links that often
>> require
>> attention. Many engines with coolant carrying intake manifolds also
>> suffer from leaks of coolant into the intake path and the combustion
>> are next. Engine failures after some period of good operation are
>> almost always the result of a support system failure or abuse. Fuel
>> and ignition systems are support systems and improper set up of
>> either
>> can be a recipe for failure. Extended lugging of the engine will
>> always help to create those melted pistons and nasty burned valves
>> even with coolant temperature staying normal. Loss of oil pressure
>> film etc. will help to throw those rods. This is the real Waterboxer
>> weak link, especially on the 2.1. That's why they added that oil
>> cooler.
> The stretch bolts are not the problem.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of neil n
>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 5:27 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Low compression, more test results-busaid inying used
>> vans!
>
>
>> ...... if I drive my WBX til it really showed it's age, and it popped
>> a rod, from what I've read, the "gotcha" is that when it pops, it
>> stops.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Neil n
>
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>
> '88 Slate Blue Westy to be named.
>
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>
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>
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