Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:30:24 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: All the gears but second
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Hi..
first thing...
check where you have bolted the linkage to the side of the trans in the
back.
That plate with a bushing in it, held to the side of the trans with two
bolts.
VW conveniently ( sarcasm ) made it so you can bolt that plate to either
side of the tab on the trans it bolts too.
if you bolt it to the aft side of the tab ..that's exactly what you'll get..
linkage can not move far enough to get 2nd.
it needs to be bolted to the forward side of that tab...that part of the
trans.
See if this doesn't just happen to be the reason for now 2nd.
Scott
www.turbovans.com
On 3/4/2012 9:35 PM, Mike South wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have an 85 Westy, formerly AT, that I am in (what I really I really,
> dearly hope are) the final stages of converting to a manual
> transmission. I took it for my first test drive with everything
> hooked up and, as I said in the subject, I can get it to go into every
> gear but second.
>
> The front and back shift rods (by which I mean the long rods that run
> from the bottom of the lever at the front of the van back to the
> ball-and-cup thing at the back) were clamped together by the previous
> owner so hard that there are four indentations in the rods where the
> corners of the clamps have bitten into the rods. Because of these
> indentations it is relatively easy to get it into the position that it
> used to be in (since you have that "convenient" (I say sarcastically)
> "stop" point), but getting it to move further in or out from that
> point is more of a challenge.
>
> I am wondering if people can tell me how far into the back rod their
> front rod is inserted. When I look at mine from the side, I can still
> see the end of the front rod in the slit in the back rod. I would be
> able to see daylight through there if there was daylight to see under
> the van, and I think I could fit a thin finishing nail through there,
> but not much else.
>
> Here is the "logic", such as it is, that I am applying to think I
> might be able to make an adjustment to the rods to get it to go into
> 2nd. Since second gear is with the lever inside the van pulled
> backwards, that means it's pulling the lever on the transmission
> forward, and *if* it's not getting into gear because it's not moving
> it forward enough, it could be helped by me shoving the front rod
> further into the back rod, shortening the overall length, so that when
> it pulls forward, it pulls further forward.
>
> I would just go down there, try that, and see if it worked except that
> it's going to be both difficult to do, and difficult to undo, because
> the rods are deformed by the aforementioned pinching, so I thought I
> would bounce it off y'all first and see if you think it makes sense to
> try or would be a waste of time.
>
> Also One More Thing That Might Be Relevant
>
> I did that lateral adjustment thing in the bentley where you are
> supposed to have 23mm between the ear and the guide in the front shift
> box (at least that's what I think it's showing). When I put in a
> socket (that was actually 23.4 mm or so wide) in the position shown,
> the left side ear was all the way against the box. It doesn't look
> like that's what they were going for in the picture. I'm mentioning
> it in case having that adjustment wrong could be the issue, and also
> to ask others where the left ear is when the right is 23mm from the
> guide (or if I'm interpreting that picture wrong).
>
> Thanks for any help you might be able to offer.
>
> I should also mention two things about the transmission itself. One,
> it's a zero miles rebuild from AA Transaxle. This is the first time I
> have used it. Two, I did get it to go into second, once, when I was
> cornering I think. So I'm guessing that the transmission can "do it".
>
> One other thing I guess is that, since it's second, I guess I can try
> putting it in second by hand (disconnecting the ball from the cup and
> putting it into second by hand, then starting off on a hill or
> something and see if it is actually in gear that way, to eliminate the
> possibility that there's anything wrong in the transmission itself.
> Advice on "how you know it's in second when you're shifting it by
> hand" would also be appreciated. I'll probably lie under there while
> someone else shifts it before disconnecting just to make sure my
> mental picture is correct before trying that. Should be easy to tell
> if I put it in 2nd or 4th though when I let off the clutch, I guess.
>
> One more thing, this is also a zero miles Bostig conversion. It's
> possible that it could be sitting in the vehicle slightly differently
> (like the whole transmission could be pulled a little left or right)
> than it would with the original engine. I don't necessarily have any
> reason for thinking this would be enough to matter, but I don't want
> to leave anything out that could possibly be relevant.
>
> Thanks for any insight you guys might have on any of it.
>
> mike
>
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