Date:         Wed, 25 May 2011 08:07:15 -0700
Reply-To:     Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon a/c
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'bout time you rascals used the "Reply" button instead of the "Reply
All" button.

-- RJS

On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 09:24 -0500, Dave Mcneely wrote:

> Rob, I know denial is a fun game.  Enjoy.  mcneely
>
> ---- Rob <becida@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> > This was a good thread up to now, had one of the best ever set of
> > directions for getting your AC on the road again.
> >
> > Now? Oh wow..
> > Here is a chart showing the last 10k years of earth temps as taken
> > from Greenland ice core readings, not much direct Vanagon stuff there
> > but it is interesting to note that it's often been a lot warmer than
> > it is now... Not to worry it's usually only 10k years between ice
> > ages. Now I know earth cycles don't count for much but if they did
> > I'd get that ac system up and running, it might get warmer before the
> > winter snows don't melt before the next one arrives and a working AC
> > will be of value to you down in central America.
> > http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/assets_c/2010/12/easterbrook_fig5.php
> >
> > I thought R-12 was illegal to make in this country & the rest of the
> > west, only China and India were allowed all the R-12 they wanted? Has
> > this changed?
> >
> > FWIW water vapor is a green house gas but it beats me why anyone
> > would rather have an ice age than a warmer world, I keep wondering
> > what their agenda is.
> >
> > I have shackles with my tow strap so I can hook it to something, my
> > trailer hitch is attached to the loops in back but there is a place I
> > can put a shackle on the hitch.
> >
> > Rob
> > becida@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At  5/24/2011 07:12 PM, Jeff Schwaia wrote:
> > >Of course you do... that's why you drive a Vanagon.
> > >
> > >On the other hand, perhaps you prefer global warming (climate change
> > >in PC terms) over a hole in the ozone layer... Name your poison:
> > >R134a = greenhouse gas; R12 = CFC.
> > >
> > >If you really care about the environment, we'd all appreciate it if
> > >you would turn off your computer and save the electricity...
> > >
> > >Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: mcneely4@cox.net [mailto:mcneely4@cox.net]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:30 PM
> > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM; Jeff Schwaia
> > >Subject: Re: [VANAGON] Vanagon a/c
> > >
> > >---- Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > > > R134a is a poor replacement for R12.  It's not nearly as
> > > efficient and it runs at a much high pressure that the old Vanagon
> > > system has problems with.
> > > >
> > > > The R12 scare is dead.  It's not hard to find and isn't too
> > > expensive.  I get it for about $30 a can as compared to R134a at $15 a can.
> > > >
> > > > The Vanagon system was designed for R12 and works very
> > > well.  Personally, I would never switch an A/C system designed for
> > > R12 to R134a.  What's the point... to save $50 on Freon?
> > >
> > >Jeff, some of us care about environmental consequences of our
> > >actions.  mcneely
>
> --
> David McNeely