Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:40:50 -0700
Reply-To: Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA [VANAGON] Friday mod discussion - language
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The following is what EVERYONE received when they joined (except those
of us who have been here since lenti, of course.) You'll note that
there are no published "rules" but rather a discussion of list
etiquette. That is because we historically have felt that we are
civilized adults here. Civilized adults usually don't require "rules"
but rather operate according to the mores of the society they're in.
This is our attempt to codify those mores for the society known as
'The Vanagon List.'
If you all feel that this is insufficient, we will certainly entertain
changes.
Jim Arnott
List Admin
vanagon@gerry
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o Craig Shergold or any kid dying of cancer who wants to live
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POINTS!!!!!
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an e-mail message, especially if the virus-carrying message always
has the same subject.
o Any virus warning already listed as a hoax at any of the following
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http://www.kumite.com/myths/
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Tax,
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Enjoy the list!
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