Date:         Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:13:23 -0700
Reply-To:     Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Freeze-12 and other A/C supplies
In-Reply-To:  <20100621100653.GP5SY.749155.imail@eastrmwml29>
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Um, just because the "industry standard" is to push one product doesn't make
the other products any less effective
or safe.  There are many data points out there that have proven freeze-12
works and just because of some peoples
ignorance about the product doesn't make it "evil" or "dangerous".   Much
the same could be demonstrated about
any mishandled chemical including water...

Steven

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:

> Rob, where does the "bs" come from?  those who advocate for using standard
> mechanisms and procedures recommended by the automotive industry and
> regulatory agencies, or those who advocate using non-standard mechanisms and
> procedures?  I realize that some creativity may be required to work around a
> problem not addressed (or addressable) by industry or most shops, but when a
> perfectly workable, standard and therefore eminently defendable mechanism or
> procedure exists, why go to something else?
>
> DMc
>
> ---- Rob <becida@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> > At  6/20/2010 10:01 PM, Robert Fisher wrote:
> > >There are other considerations as well; I read some time back that a
> > >Nat'l professional organization representing automotive A/C service
> > >techs was suing the manufacturers of hydrocarbon "refrigerants"
> > >because of all of their members (apparently a considerable number)
> > >that had been injured trying to service systems that had been filled
> > >with explosive gases unbeknownst to them.
> >
> > You're going to have to back that claim up... sounds like just
> > another internet story to me.
> >
> > We are trying to keep 20+ yr old Vanagon running. I just don't see
> > why we can't pass on what works and what doesn't, there have been so
> > many stories and personal opinions on this thread. That happens on a
> > lot of threads...
> >
> > So many things help us keep these machines running, so many people
> > helping each other. Did you try it? Did it work? Why didn't it work?
> > Did you do it yourself or have it done? Where did you find the parts?
> > Name brand? Part number? URL?
> > So many questions, so much help.
> >
> > I guess someone coming out with outrageous claims about something
> > that is working and has been for some time with no problems is the
> > price we pay for this form of help and community.
> > That's how the list is... I guess I should learn to accept it cause
> > I'm sure as heck not going to be able to change it. Still at times I
> > get irritated with the bs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob
> > becida@comcast.net
>
> --
> David McNeely
>