Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:37:30 -0700
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: first try = first run = no running anymore
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one way to tell roughly where the timing is ...
if it's trying to start that is ..
is turn it coutneclockwise ( advancing timing ) until it 'fights itself'
while cranking.
that's a sure sign of too advanced timing.
Rotate the distrubutor about 3/8 of an inch clockwise from there and you'll
be in the ball park.
as long as the timing is roughly in the ball park, timing not being spot on
won't keep it from starting.
Ton of leeway there, as far as just getting it fired up goes.
when you hear it fighting itself , cranking harder than normal, that's a
good sign ..
because then you know it's getting fuel and spark ...just retard the timing
some from there.
later of course, set it correctly with a timing light.
which you can use on a cranking engine too , doesn't have to be actually
running to use a timing light on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake de Villiers" <crescentbeachguitar@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: first try = first run = no running anymore
> Sounds like the timing's maybe a little advanced - retard it 3/8" of an
> inch
> and see what happens.
>
> Clockwise would be retard.
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Ry <rylincoln@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the help folks. I'm still troubleshooting it. Mark, I DO have
>> my
>> transmission filled with oil, I promise, rigged up a nice long hose and
>> big
>> funnel hanging from rear a/c grating worked great for filling it up.
>> Miguel, I removed the plugs and #2 and #4 were carbon coated more than
>> the
>> rest, I cleaned them all. Scott thanks for the advice on raising the
>> rearend and letting the wheels spin a bit to get the oil all up in brand
>> new
>> transmission, I'll be doing that once I get the engine started again.
>>
>>
>> Here's a photo of my distributor and TDC settings.
>> http://is.gd/aM4Dz
>>
>> And some audio of me cranking the engine with timing set by eye as best I
>> know how. It fires just a little bit.
>> http://is.gd/aM4Cs
>>
>> Thanks again to all.
>>
>> -Ry
>> http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Benny boy <huotb@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > When something work and you move/touch something and it's stop working,
>> go
>> > back in time and put it the way it was before. Double check what you
>> > did
>> > that could have created the problem.
>> >
>> > Timing may be way off and it was somewhat ok with the plug wire not at
>> the
>> > right position. Now you need to make sure TDC is right and concord with
>> the
>> > rotor/distributor cap.
>> >
>> > What is wrong now is timing. Maybe the distributor gear is not align?
>> >
>> > The basic of TDC
>> > http://www.benplace.com/tdc.htm
>> >
>> > Ben
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:31:47 -0500, Ry <rylincoln@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> >
>> > >ok so I made a mistake. i had the spark plugs hooked up on the
>> > distributor
>> > >cap so that it was firing 1-2-3-4 instead of 1-4-3-2 even though I
>> > >KNEW
>> > >what it was supposed to be, just a late evening working all day
>> > >shoulda
>> > >taken a break mistake.
>> > >
>> > >Thing is it started right up that way though was rough and a bit
>> loud(now
>> > i
>> > >know why!).
>> > >Now that I got it all hooked up proper like, it doesn't want to start,
>> it
>> > >has sputtered a few times. :( did i do something awful?
>> > >
>> > >I'm letting it rest right now and charging the batter(i didn't try so
>> long
>> > >that i let the battery go dead, just knew it hadn't been charged in
>> > >more
>> > >than a month)
>> > >
>> > >sigh... any hep?
>> > >-Ry
>> > >http://www.google.com/profiles/rylincoln
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:34 PM, mark drillock <mdrillock@cox.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I hope you did manage to put oil in the tranny before running the
>> engine
>> > >> much. You can ruin the dry tranny without driving the van, since the
>> > engine
>> > >> will always turn the tranny mainshaft.
>> > >>
>> > >> Mark
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Ry wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Update:
>> > >>> A few loose bolts on engine tin, timing not dialed in yet, coolant
>> > system
>> > >>> needs to be bled some more(not that hard imho) and DOH i forgot to
>> put
>> > >>> trans
>> > >>> oil in BEFORE i bolted it all up and made it more difficult to do.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> BUT first try and it started right up :)
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jake
>
> 1984 Vanagon GL
> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>
> Crescent Beach, BC
>
> www.thebassspa.com
> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
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