Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:54:03 -0500
Reply-To: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
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From: Tom Hargrave <thargrav@HIWAAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Questions
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These days it's pretty much "take it easy" for the first 500 miles.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
256-656-1924
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Stewart [mailto:robertmstewart@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:50 AM
To: Tom Hargrave
Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Questions
Is there a rule of thumb as to not exceeding a certain speed limit on
the new engine during break in?
i.e. don't drive faster than 40mph? for 500 miles?
On Apr 8, 2009, at 12:17 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote:
> 1. The pistons may look fine but do they measure fine? Are the ring
> lands,
> skirts, etc, etc still in tolerance? In my opinion, Mahle is best.
>
> 2. The cam & followers should be replaced as a set. Replace one &
> you should
> replace the other.
>
> 3. Break-in is usually 500 miles - by then the rings should be worn
> to the
> profile of the cylinder walls. I always change my oil & filter after
> 500
> miles because break-in is really a short term very high wear period
> for the
> engine and I want to get all of the micro-fine bits of metal out of
> the
> engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> http://www.kegkits.com/JABF/
> 256-656-1924
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> Behalf Of
> Robert Stewart
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:50 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Engine Rebuild Questions
>
> I spoke with Pete from Van Cafe where I am ordering most of the parts
> and he too suggested replacing the rod bolts thanks for the
> suggestion.
>
> I a couple more questions...
>
> 1. Why is it important to replace the Pistons if they look fine? I
> understand the rings and other components but why the actual piston?
>
> What brand of pistons is best?
> I see the several brands:
> - German made Mahle which are most expensive
> - QSC from China
> - Brazilian
> - What are peoples experience with the 96MM Big Bore Kit from QSC?
> Worth the extra horsepower or does it create to many problems with
> heat in the engine and not a long lasting product?
>
> 2. If there is no visible wear on the camshaft does that still need to
> be replaced?
>
> 3. What is the proper break in period after a rebuild?
> I have heard that after driving the van for 500 miles I should change
> the tranny fluid and oil?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
> Orange County NY
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote:
>
>> Replace the rod bolts with the uprated components - they are the
>> weak point in the 2.1 motor.
>>
>> Pretty sure someone already brought this up in this thread...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Robert Stewart <robertmstewart@mac.com
>>> wrote:
>> Just got back from a meeting the rebuilder and we are replacing:
>>
>> oil pressure valve
>> oil pressure relief piston spring
>> All New Lifters
>> New AMC Spanish Heads
>> Wrist Pin Bushings
>> Cam Shaft - Reground from Van-Cafe
>> Complete Gaskets Replacement of All seals
>> Piston Cylinder Kit - From Van Cafe - German Mahle ( does anyone
>> recommend the 2.2 piston kit from Vanagain or GW?)
>> Piston Engine Ring Set - Grant Brand
>> Standard Main Bearing Set
>> Crank Shaft bearing kit
>> Rod Bearings - Standard
>> New Temp Sensor with Lower threshold to keep the engine cooler* - Van
>> Cafe 80 degree
>> New Oil Pressure Sensors
>>
>>
>> The rebuilder said all the other parts looked good.
>>
>> Indeed he has done these before he said and he realizes the
>> complicated nature of how torque ratio's and well as the extreme
>> precision of the tolerances are required. In fact he said he really
>> dislikes working on all the German engines regardless if it is VW,
>> Mercedes or BMW. For him hey says they use way to many bolts and
>> misc.
>> parts to complicate the process. He told me once the parts arrive he
>> can have it done within 3-4 days. Sound about right?
>>
>> Am I missing any other crucial parts to replace?
>>
>> He said the crank, stud bolts and other key parts all looked good and
>> said the engine seems in otherwise good shape for its age.
>>
>> Thanks for assistance.
>>
>> Rob
>> NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Robert Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Good Monday to everyone,
>>
>> I have a local engine rebuilder working on my 2.1 Automatic engine
>> which had roughly 250,000 miles on it.
>>
>> He informed my heads needed to be replaced. I could clearly see the
>> space between the two valves having a indentation bridging them and
>> the surface areas were very badly pitted.
>>
>> I planned on purchasing a set of rebuilt heads from Van-Cafe, anyone
>> think this a good or bad idea?
>> Anyone used them before? Have any feedback?
>>
>> Secondly is there anything regarding the rebuild that is a must to
>> replace component wise since he has it all apart?
>> i.e. sleeves, pistons, camshaft etc...
>>
>> I am awaiting a final parts list from him now but want to be sure I
>> am
>> not missing anything.
>>
>> Before he rebuilds it he is going to be cleaning all the parts in a
>> special bath then glass bead blasting the non sensitive parts.
>>
>> Also how long should a standard rebuild take? i.e. 7-21 days? or is
>> it
>> something that can be done in a 40 hour work week?
>> What kind of price should I expect?
>> He told me it would be roughly $1500 dollars.
>> He said he would be check to see if the camshaft needed to be
>> reground
>> and would check all valves etc. His shop only does rebuilds but of
>> mostly race car engines and big truck engines so I trust he knows
>> what
>> he is talking about. He is not a VW guy at all he just knows engines.
>> I did give him the Bentley just to be safe though.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robert
>> NY
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>>
>> 1984 Vanagon GL
>> 1986 Westy Weekender "Dixie"
>>
>> Crescent Beach, BC
>>
>> www.crescentbeachguitar.com
>> http://subyjake.googlepages.com/mydixiedarlin%27
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