Date:         Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:43:56 -0700
Reply-To:     mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET>
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From:         mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Help stuck caliper slide pin
Comments: To: Ed McLean <email99@BELLSOUTH.NET>
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There is one possible problem with your mining effort. The more common
caliper used on 86-91 is Girling brand. It uses it's own carriers. There
were some ATE calipers also fitted around 89 but these use a different
carrier mated to them. Since the guide pins are what attach the caliper
to the carrier there might be a different pin used depending on which
brand is involved. More digging is needed.

Mark

Ed McLean wrote:
> Come on guys, let's do a little data mining here.
>
> Starting with what we know:
> Need Guide Pins for brake caliper for an '86 Vanagon
>
> Looking in the ETKA catalog we see no pins listed for the '86 Vanagon but if
> you look at the '88 Vanagon, which has the same calipers, we see Guide Pins
> (Description notation (3)  251 615 219A) for ATE calipers.
>
> Now taking this part number to the BusDepot website, we find these pins are
> available from Germany.
>
> If we do a Google search with this part number, we see on a Russian website
> where these are used on several Audi models, including the late 1987 Audi
> 100.  This is confirmed for the US version by going back to the ETKA Audi
> section.
>
> Looking back at the Google search, we see that there is a Beck Arnley
> product (084-1244 Brake Guide Pin Kit) that is two guide pins, rubber seals,
> and bolts for the 1987 Audi 100 and the following other cars:
>     *  1989-1994 Audi 100
>     * 1989-1993 Audi 100 Quattro
>     * 1989-1991 Audi 200
>     * 1989-1991 Audi 200 Quattro
>     * 1980-1987 Audi 4000
>     * 1984-1987 Audi 4000 Quattro
>     * 1980-1988 Audi 5000
>     * 1986-1988 Audi 5000 Quattro
>     * 1988-1992 Audi 80
>     * 1988-1992 Audi 80 Quattro
>     * 1988-1991 Audi 90
>     * 1988-1991 Audi 90 Quattro
>     * 1995-1995 Audi A6 Quattro
>     * 1981-1987 Audi Coupe
>     * 1990-1991 Audi Coupe Quattro
>     * 1973-1979 Audi Fox
>     * 1983-1985 Audi Quattro
>     * 1992-1993 Audi S4
>     * 1995-1995 Audi S6
>     * 1990-1993 Audi V8 Quattro
>     * 1984-1985 BMW 318i
>     * 1984-1989 Mercedes Benz 190D
>     * 1984-1986 Mercedes Benz 190E
>
> Now you have lots of options:
> Either buy them from a list vendor
> or
> buy them from a FLAPS or internet FLAPS
> or
> go to a salvage yard and pull them from one of the above mentioned cars.
>
> All it takes is just a little work to find this information.
>
>
> Of course, don't buy these based on my notes here.  Do your own research and
> convince yourself that you are getting the correct part.
>
>
> I also would like to mention, from my own experience, that the top surface
> where the pin mates to the caliper, must be absolutely perpendicular to the
> axis of the pin or the caliper will jam when the pin bolts are tightened.  I
> know this because I purchased some calipers a while back and they were not
> packed securely.  During shipment the very heavy box was dropped and the
> pins were bent because the calipers were shipped assembled on the carriers.
>  This caused the calipers to jam and overheated my brakes, destroying the
> grease seals and throwing wheel bearing grease all over everything,
> including the pads and discs.
>
> Regards,
> Ed
>