Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:23:11 -0500
Reply-To: craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM>
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From: craig cowan <phishman068@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Engine runs with no AFM?
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To be fair, i have learned my lesson, and now carry every tool necessary to
rebuild an engine. Its great when you're broken down in a muddy parking lot
in michigan, to be able to choose between 3 different drive sizes, deep
well, 6points, etc : )
Not to mention screw drivers, spare parts, etc.
Hey the bus is older than I am....
It took a little while to learn!
-Craig
'85Gl gone Westy
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> Driving a 20 + year old Volkswagen Vangon without even a screw driver on
> board !!??
> are you nuts ?!
> Reminds me of people that drive these old beauties without even a
> flashlight on board.
> ( not to mention a fire extinguisher or two )
> LOL -:)
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* craig cowan <phishman068@gmail.com>
> *To:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
> *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Engine runs with no AFM?
>
> I had an AFM fall off my '85 on the way home from the opening showing of
> "LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE" with some friends. That made for a great story....
>
> It did work, it just ran rough and was very slow to respond to throttle so
> almost impossible to start on a hill. I ended up pulling over, and fixing it
> with a quarter (i didn't have a screwdriver to tighten the hoseclamp, only a
> quarter).
>
> -Craig
> '85GL turned WESTY
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, you can drive around half decently.
>> It's not hard to forget that last step of plugging the connector onto the
>> AFM of course, which is how I found out.
>> They run quite well, though unevenly, especially with a lot of pedal
>> applied.
>> I doubt that it hurts anything. The ECU is just temporarily confused about
>> how long to hold open the injectors. I imagine it overcorrects a bit.
>> Also...........WOT is a mode that bypasses some inputs I believe. It'll
>> run
>> that way fairly well.
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Milo" <dellaone@GMAIL.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Engine runs with no AFM?
>>
>>
>> Yes indeed,
>>>
>>> It will run, and you can even move the van around for short distances,
>>> but
>>> I
>>> wouldn't recommend it.
>>>
>>> Dave Milo
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Edward Maglott <
>>> emaglott@buncombe.main.nc.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was working on the van yesterday and had the AFM disconnected from
>>>> everything to look for a water leak in the area of the coolant
>>>> distributor. It's a strange leak that stops when the engine warms
>>>> up. So I decided to start the engine and take a look under
>>>> there. Turned the key and got a horrible noise since the air cleaner
>>>> housing was sitting on the alternator fan. D'oh! OK, moved that and
>>>> started the engine and it ran. So no air going into the engine was
>>>> going through the AFM and the AFM was not connected electrically
>>>> either. Hmmm, I thought. Must be the idle circuit keeping it
>>>> running. I opened the throttle and expected it to die, but no, it
>>>> revved up just like normal. Engine was cold, so was in open loop
>>>> mode, but still. Maybe since it had no load on it the engine was
>>>> able to spin up? Seems like it would have gone terribly lean. Any
>>>> ideas on this curiosity? This is a 2.1 digifant.
>>>>
>>>> Edward
>>>>
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