Date:         Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:58:19 -0400
Reply-To:     Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: 719/5 vs 719/12
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The difference is the bypass not anti drain back valve. Both do have the
flap type anti drain back valve on top. If you look at the oil filter
adapter on most in VW line you will see a ball. The ball is held in place
by a spring. This is the bypass valve. The Water boxer does not have this
so it has to be in the filter. Most after market filter companies
incorporate this feature. That is why most aftermarket uses the same
filter number for both applications.

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
The Bus Depot
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:57 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 719/5 vs 719/12

This has been resolved before, right here on this list. The short answer
is
that the 719/5 should NOT be used on a Vanagon - the 719/12 should be.

Both Mann and Mahle make a dedicated Vanagon filter (the 719/12, and the
OC108, respectively), and a Golf/Jetta filter (the 719/5 and OC47).  The
question of whether the Golf/Jetta filter (either the Mahle or Mann
version;
they're essentially the same) can safely be used on a Vanagon comes up
here
every few years.  Several years ago, a list member took the question
directly to Mahle in Germany, who along with Mann are the original
suppliers
of the Vanagon filter and work closely with Volkswagen. They were kind
enough to answer:


Thank you for your interest in MAHLE products.

The main difference between OC 108 and OC 47 is inside these filters. OC
108 has an anti-dran valve at the filter, OC 47 not. When you use OC 47
for
your car (VW Tranporter/Vanagon) than you can get problems, when you start
your car. The motor is at this time always to long without oil. OC 108
have
also a better paper quality than OC 47, and the pressure bypass is
different. Please use for your car OC 108, to get no damage at your car or
motor.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards

Sandra Rieger
1 VGP - Productmanagement
e-mail: sandra_rieger


So there you have it. The correct OEM Vanagon filter (Mann 719/12 or Mahle
OC108) is not hard to get. We sell them for $4.29 each at the following
link:

http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=070115561

For all of four bucks, why take a chance on something that even MIGHT
affect
your engine's lifespan?  Even if you don't do your own oil changes, just
keep a couple of filters in the garage, and if your local mechanic wants
to
use a Golf filter hand him one of these instead.  This seems like a
no-brainer to me.

- Ron Salmon
  The Bus Depot, Inc.
  www.busdepot.com
  (215)  234-VWVW

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