Date:         Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:08:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Zeitgeist <gruengeist@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Zeitgeist <gruengeist@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Bluetec diesel
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I'm fairly certain our intrepid band of diesel-techies will come up with a
chip bypass that'll allow the low pee level limp mode/MIL to go bye bye.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Jim Akiba <syncrolist@bostig.com> wrote:

> That's a really good point... presumably they have a MIL of some kind
> to tell you to go by some more smurf pee at the VW dealer, but what if
> you delay?
>
> I have no idea how that'll work.. but I'll sure be paying attention
> when they start selling.
>
> Jim Akiba
>
>
>
> On 2/21/08, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > And what happens if you let it run out of fluid? Does it shut down and
> >  leave you stranded or is there some sort of limp mode?
> >
> >
> >  Dennis
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >  Jim Akiba
> >  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:56 AM
> >  To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >  Subject: Re: Bluetec diesel
> >
> >  Daimler is part of the Bluetec marketing coalition. And yup.. it's
> >   urea all right, except instead of pissing into the "adblue" reservoir,
> >   you'll have to visit the dealer and pay for refills.
> >
> >
> >   Jim Akiba
> >
> >
> >   On 2/21/08, Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote:
> >   > I thought that Bluetec was a Mercedez developed technology and that
> VW
> >   >  was going to use a different version of catalytic converter for
> their
> >   >  diesels?  They had a nice article on this in a past issue of
> Popular
> >   >  Mechanics.  The part that I think is weird is the substance that
> they
> >   >  are using as the catalyst in the Bluetec cat.  They called it
> "urea"
> >  in
> >   >  the article and they didn't elaborate.  Isn't this pee pee (I use
> the
> >   >  polite term here for the small children in the audience)?  So you
> have
> >  a
> >   >  container somewhere in a Benz that contains whizz, piss, urine,
> etc.
> >   >  which is slowly injecting this into your catalytic converter to
> help
> >   >  break down the diesel emissions.  I wonder how this is going to go
> >  over
> >   >  with the MB crowd?  At least it should be easy to refill the
> container
> >   >  (just go on a long trip and drink a lot of coffee).  Yeah right!
> >  Knowing
> >   >  the German mindset, only pure German Wee-wee (TM) will do :-)
> >   >
> >   >  Am I the only one that sees this system as a gold mine for jokes in
> >  the
> >   >  future?
> >   >
> >   >  Ken Wilford
> >   >  John 3:16
> >   >  www.vanagain.com
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >  Jim Akiba wrote:
> >   >  > It's going to be interesting for sure. I hope it does indeed come
> >  out
> >   >  > this year, and it'll be interesting to see how folks deal with
> the
> >   >  > Bluetec and how it goes. Bluetec has been the one to watch for a
> >  while
> >   >  > since it'll be the first ready, but it'll be interesting to see
> what
> >   >  > happens when it actually starts selling.  I guess we'll have to
> wait
> >   >  > until the end of 3rd quarter which is the latest pushback delay
> date
> >   >  >
> >   >  >
> >
> http://www.brandweek.com/bw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003670
> >  246
> >   >  >
> >   >  > Low and behold the problem was related to durability of the
> >  emissions
> >   >  > system... hopefully they'll get it sorted and launched. I think
> it's
> >   >  > far worse if they try to hurry it up, and wind up shooting
> >  themselves
> >   >  > in the foot with problems. Since everyone is watching bluetec to
> see
> >   >  > what happens, it NEEDS to go well.
> >   >  >
> >   >  > We also need to wait and see what the mileage is actually going
> to
> >  be,
> >   >  > 50 would show no loss in MPG vs. a non-bluetec setup, which I
> find
> >   >  > hard to believe but would be a great accomplishment. Tick-tock,
> >   >  > nothing to do but wait.
> >   >  >
> >   >  > Jim Akiba
> >   >  >
> >   >  >
> >   >  >
> >   >  > On 2/21/08, Chris S. <mrpolak@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   >  >
> >   >  >> Old news...
> >   >  >>
> >
> http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_1906.shtml
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >> newer news...
> >   >  >>
> >
> http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/volkswagen_news/article_2069.shtml
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >> The car will be introduced later this year as a 2009.  140 hp,
> huge
> >  236
> >   >  >> lb/ft of torque at around 1900 rpm, which I'm quoting from
> >  memory so I might
> >   >  >> be off by 5 in either direction... and over 50 mpg on the
> highway.
> >   >  >>  Chris S.
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >> ----- Original Message ----
> >   >  >> From: Jim Akiba <jakiba@bostig.com>
> >   >  >> To: Chris S. <mrpolak@yahoo.com>
> >   >  >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:54:22 PM
> >   >  >> Subject: Re: Zetec diesel
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >>  On 2/20/08, Chris S. <mrpolak@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >>> By the way, Lutz, who has a good point, might want to check out
> >  the new
> >   >  >>> Jetta with piezo injectors which yield over 50mpg (US) on the
> >  EPA highway
> >   >  >>> cycle.  ;-)
> >   >  >>>
> >   >  >> The new Jetta is only available in the 2.5L 5 cylinder right now
> I
> >   >  >> thought...
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >> Jim Akiba
> >   >  >>
> >   >  >>
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