Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:56:49 -0500
Reply-To: robert feller <syncro.carboncow@GMAIL.COM>
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From: robert feller <syncro.carboncow@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: great brake line flare information here
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Thanks for the grammar nazi comment! Anyone who reads the email will see
the reference at the end and understand...
As I mentioned before I have been cross referencing many websites and would
never take one as gospel including the comments of those on this board. All
comments need cross referenced. I'm assuming I've read 30+ websites on brake
lines tonight. I could assume his experience as a race car builder is just
as creditable as yours as a vanagon knowledgeable tech. I will take your
comments into consideration but I see nothing is this article that makes me
think this guys is trying to save a few dollars by any means or cutting
corners. He explaination of the different types of flares is a nice summary
of the dozen different sites I've read.
Shawn
On Dec 25, 2007 12:42 AM, Mike <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote:
> > Making such a flare is easy: if you are in possession of a standard 45
> > degree double flaring tool, the bubble flare is what results after the
> > first
> > half of the operation. Simply stop there, and you have the bubble flare
> > which will seat nicely at the bottom of the hole. If you continue,
> > inverting
> > the form tool and finishing the job, you *then* have the more familiar
> > double flare used by Girling and the US automotive industry.
> >
> > REFERENCE:
> > http://www.dimebank.com/BrakePlumbing.html
> > --
> > Shawn Feller
> > Ohio
> > www.carboncow.com
> >
>
> Shawn,
> You appear to have stated this personally, by not using quotation marks
> around the plaigarized text from another author. The 'reference' you
> claim
> is not correct, either. Again a case of the internet causing people to
> take
> as true something that is put in writing by someone else. It is a
> double-edged sword here, and all infor posted should be cross-checked from
> several different authors to be able to decide what's actually true and
> correct.
> The part about stopping at a halfway-formed double flare as sufficient
> for
> an ISO bubble flare is an over-simplification of the truth, and is NOT
> correct. The resulting shapes after forming each are distinctly
> different,
> and this is why they sell different tools for each use; not because they
> assume all mechanics are too stupid to realize that the one tool would do
> it
> all.
> It may work good enough for that author, but not good enough for me to
> trust my whole family's lives on. The poorly-shaped half-formed double
> flare won't seal up correctly. The fitting will be attempting to force
> the
> tubing into the correct shape when tightening it down, and will not do a
> good job of it. It's a hack way to work, attempting to out-think the
> engineers, and I simply don't take such risks just to save a few bucks.
> The
> correct tool will do them all, and apparently isn't even that expensive
> nowadays.
>
> Mike B.
>
>
--
Shawn Feller
Ohio
www.carboncow.com
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