Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:43:01 -0800
Reply-To: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
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From: Scott Daniel - Shazam <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Subject: Re: Municipal camper bans
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It simply is not a government 'of' the people is it ?
Now if council members drove Vanagons or old British sports cars and worked
on them, it would be different. What give them the right to dictate that
THEIR lifestyle will be everyone's.
I do understand the fire hazard aspect of car repair in a typical stick
built wooden house, but ........................
At least we still get to play with our vanagons.
I also wouldn't be too worried yet about the Oakland proposal. I might go
to some council meetings that take citizen input, but it just doesn't seem
likely that you just could not park a westy on the street at all. Limited
time, yes, no camping in it yes, but to outlaw 'all parking' for them is
unreasonable, and I think unlikely actually. Tho they might try, that I can
imagine.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
David Kao
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:03 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Municipal camper bans
It looks like most cities in California are similar in that. RVs parking
in the street has a 72 hour limitation. However, if no one complains no
enforcement will occur. Trailer is a different situation. They do not allow
trailers parked on the driveway for some reason. It may have something to
do with fire hazard. But I believe owners will be warned before they give
tickets.
San Jose has a weird ordinance that I have a tough time to believe. The city
bans engine rebuild (and other major repairs) in private properties,
including
in your own garage. When I was young and had no ownership of any property it
was the ability to work on my own cars in my own driveway or garage that
drove
me to buy my own house. It ended up that I can't do it still after owning a
house in San Jose. Very weird.
David
--- PB <pbrattan@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I meant to post this, but sent it just to David instead! (Sorry, David.)
I
> live in Los Angeles, and here it appears to be a "free-for-all!" I've
seen
> plenty of RV's parked in the street and in driveways. I've heard that
> parking on your own lawn is not permitted, but have never seen Traffic
> Enforcement do anything about it. I have 2 driveways, and I sometimes
park
> in the street blocking one of my own driveways, and I've never had a
> problem. The only "rule" that actually gets enforced is when a vehicle is
> parked in the same spot on the street for more than 72 hours the can tow
it,
> but it usually takes them more than 72 hrs to even get around to checking
> whether it's stolen or abandoned. Heck - one of the neighbors even has
> roosters, which start crowing at about 3 am!
> Patti
> North Hollywood (part of Los Angeles)
> *******************
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2007 11:36 AM, David Kao <dtkao0205@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Cambridge (Boston) is another city that basically disallows parking
> > of any cars in any streets (very few exceptions), except in front of
> > your own property. Been there a couple of times and it was a PITA.
> > As a visitor of that city I found I hated that city so bad that I
> > am so glad that I will never need to go there again.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > --- -------- < VW4X4@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
> >
> > > This is a very common regulation, in many townships, etc. I live in
> > > one, but its not
> > > quit the same. Our law reads, your not allowed to park an RV or
> > > commercial
> > > vehicle on the street, or in the front (yard) of your home, even on
your
> > > own property.
> > > The side or back of your home is OK. I'm all for it. Otherwise, in
> > > this place I live,
> > > some people would be parking 100 FT RV's everywhere.... until they
> > > get repossessed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Geza Polony wrote:
> > >
> > > >Folks,
> > > >
> > > >Have any of you ever dealt with this kind of a problem? My city,
> > Oakland,
> > > >CA, is very seriously considering a ban on camper parking within the
> > city
> > > >limits, apparently following the lead of Santa Barbara and other
> > places.
> > > >This ban would include Vanagon Campmobiles such as the type owned by
> > yours
> > > >truly. Obviously, I'm concerned.
> > > >
> > > >Does anyone have experience with this kind of thing? Can cities of
this
> > size
> > > >get away with such ordinances, which would prohibit even non-city
> > residents
> > > >from parking their RV's, etc., for even a few minutes on city
streets?
> > > >
> > > >The first offense is $250; the second, towing. It would apply even to
a
> >
> > > >Vanagon Weekender without a poptop, as long as it has anything inside
> > > >intended for camping (per Calif. vehicle code.)
> > > >
> > > >If this passes, I can't keep my Westy. Is that unbelievable or what?
> > > >
> > > >If you have any interest in it, read Chip Johnson's article in the SF
> > Chronicle.
> > > >
> > > >Geza
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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