Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:24:30 -0400
Reply-To: Jim Akiba <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
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From: Jim Akiba <syncrolist@BOSTIG.COM>
Subject: Re: 102mph - Turbo vs. 6-cylinder
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You guys do like to buy low production expensive engines don't you... the
2.0Ts are going for 4k+ engine only! You know my philosophy... Go cheap,
rugged, and plentiful, you'll never have to depend on a high mileage engine
and if it ever needs spark plugs you can just buy another engine and throw
the old one away for recycling still buttoned up. Simply installing is
easier/faster/cheaper/more reliable than rebuilding unless you have time,
space, tools, and experience. But if your engines cost $4.5k you're going to
have to rebuild them at some point to make it worth the investment(unless
you're loaded and don't actually drive/use it that much then it doesn't
matter), and you better hope they have good timing belts that *don't* fail
before they're supposed to. Lots of guys will come to this conclusion after
they've bought two pricey engines in their van's lives. Then again this
thread isn't about practicality.. so I nominate the 1.4 TSI as my
ridiculo-swap, totally not worth it but would be cool to show off.
Ben check out stephan's 1.8t conversion it's a beaut, I'd let Stephan, mike,
and jeremiah touch my vanagon anytime :) The last 1.8T swap I did was on a
customer new beetle 4 months ago, it broke its timing belt and self
destructed(I googled lot's of premature 1.8t timing belts while checking for
tsbs/recalls, surprise VW says no issue.. just like their "silent recall"
98-99 passat oil lines sans heat shielding that coke up and kill the turbos
that they don't acknowledge, done those too). The dealer wanted $3500 to
replace the head(they would have left the love taps from the valves
hammering themselves into the pistons) I put in a salvage 1.8T with new
timing set for $4300... and I'll never ever do it again.. still wasn't worth
it for me, the engine cost $3200 with 90k, but at least I have some cool "S"
shaped valves as souvenirs. With fresh belting and heat shielding though, I
like the 1.8t.. very well selected turbo... it didn't need 20 valves, has
that bizarre single front timing cog and rear timing chain setup to be
different, but what the hey it's a true VAG motor. The panzer III of the
conversion world if you will.
Jim Akiba
-----Original Message-----
From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:sudhir.desai@GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:10 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: 102mph - Turbo vs. 6-cylinder
If you're going to use the 1.8T, why not wait just a few more months,
and use the 2.0T. I think the next conversion I do to any car, I'll be
using that engine (2.0T).
Sudhir
On 5/22/07, Benny boy <huotb@videotron.ca> wrote:
> Hi Erik and others,
>
> If i would have to choose a VW engine, it would be the 1.8T, i think it's
> one of the best engine VW as ever did! A friend of mine, Peter, work as a
> mechanic for a VW dealer, so last year i spent a day with him, he had to
> work on a 1.8T (cooked turbo) wile his friend was working on a VW V6cyl,
men
> the guy working on the 6cyl was swearing all the time, but my friend did
> not! nice design on the 1.8T!
>
> But, let's wait and see... today, i had to work on my friend Jetta, a 1.9
> TDI engine, we had the fuel pump fix (rebuilt-1000$) a few days ago and we
> had to change many small coolant line under this leaky pump.. men ho
men...
>
> Power! yea, this thread is funny, i know, i started it, but still.
> i really think that 130-170 hp is more than enough for a camper, even too
> much sometime. it's a big vehicle, my 85 is quite high, i would not like
to
> take a curve to fast when fully loaded (it happen yesterday), i think that
> anything over 150hp is almost to much if you don't know how to use that
power.
>
> The 2.5 Subi is a fine power plant, at least for me and for that kind of
van
> (what Vanaru don't know is that my engine is not stock no more... but that
> is another story...OBD2 is nice for that!). I won't say it's a rocket
ship,
> far from it, my SV1000S-130hp-90+ of torque-350 pounds motorcycle IS a
> rocket ship, so i know what power is. My friend GSX-1300 Busa - modified
> turbo beast at 180hp-130pds of torque is a doubble rocket ship. But a
> Vanagon... is still a camper van!
>
> I have never seen a 1.8T into the Vanagon engine bay? i would be curious
> seing pictures.
>
> As for parts breaking (CV's, tranny), just use that power carefully!
> everything should hold fine.
>
> Now, we need a bigger fuel tank!
>
> Ben
> http://www.benplace.com/85rouge/vanaru63.jpg
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2007 13:36:02 -0700, Erik Lundberg <ealundberg74@YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
> >I know the Subaru has long been one of the primary
> >engine swaps in the Vanagon, and for good reason too.
> >They are strong at 130+ hp for the EJ22 and more for
> >the newer engines, reliably run for hundreds of
> >thousands of miles, and are clean burners.
> >
> >Still, there are other options that, while perhaps
> >slightly more expensive, provide more horsepower and
> >torque while additionally being reliable and clean. I
> >have had a 1.8T in my 85 Westfalia for 5000 miles now,
> >and in it's chipped form produces 215+ hp and 240+
> >ft-lbs of torque. It is clean burning, reliable,
> >modern, Volkswagen, and fun to drive all in one
> >package. I had a shop perform the install, and it
> >cost roughly $1500 more than the EJ22 another shop was
> >going to install for me, certainly worth it for the
> >additional 70 horsepower. Just a consideration for
> >some of you.
> >
> >Erik
>
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