Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:06:15 -0500
Reply-To: Thomas Butler <thomas_butler@MSN.COM>
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From: Thomas Butler <thomas_butler@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Was 1984 VW Vanagon Camper Now GTO
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general luxury?
>From: "mike ." <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
>Reply-To: "mike ." <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Was 1984 VW Vanagon Camper Now GTO
>Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:53:12 -0700
>
>GTO was the designation that Ferrari used and that was indeed what it
>meant.
>[I think O was Omligato but that's homologated was what it meant] Even
>though they only produce 53 or 54 [Ferrari doesn't believe in keeping
>records]
>
>Then Pontiac borrowed it, and GT 2+2. Don't know of anyone else who used it
>actually.
>
>GTO run about $10 million right now.
>
>I don't.
>
>MikeWasw
>
>
>On 5/7/07 2:04 PM, "joel walker" <jwalker17@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
>
> >> What does the "GL" designation mean?
> >
> >
> > nobody really knows ... and vw never said.
> >
> > but it goes back to the semi-olden days of cars ... when the
> > manufacturers wanted to designate their luxo models from the plebian
> > grocery-carriers. ;)
> > L - usually meant Luxury or some form of that word - more 'stuff' than
> > the base models.
> > GL - was then Grande Luxury; more better than just the L.
> > GLS - was Grand Luxury Sport!! more better than L but more
> > sporty/racey than the GL.
> > GT - Grande Touring. not sport, but not luxury ... sort of comfy
> > trip-taking.
> > GTO - was Grande Touring Obligato or however you say Olbigatory in
> > Italian. :) it meant that at least 100 of these cars had been produced
> > to meet the rules of racing in certain classes under the regulations
> > of some european racing organizations. if you didn't build at least
> > 100 of them, you had to race against a different bunch of folks (who
> > usually had lots more money and bigger engines!).
> >
> > don't think i ever saw a just-G label. but there were LS, and later
> > the japanese started up the XL and XLS ... Xtra Luxury? :)
> >
> > so basically, it's just a trim/interior/accoutrements difference
> > designator ....
> > an L might have carpet (instead of the rubber mats that were used in
> > the base models)
> > but a GL might have carpet AND leather seats AND power mirrors.
> > whereas a GLS would have carpet and leather seats but a manual
> > transmission and more hp in the engine.
> > a GT might have carpet and leather seats, manual transmission and more
> > hp, but air conditioning (as standard. already figured into the
> > price), and fog lights or driving lights or both.
> > and a GTO might have almost nothing ... since it was expected that you
> > were going to fit it out with your own seats and if you're racing, you
> > don't want/need carpet, and so on.
> >
> > so it kinda works this way:
> > no letters - cheap car.
> > the more letters, the more expensive the car.
> > :)
> >
> > simple, yes?
> >
> > hope it helps. ;)
> > unca joel
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