Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 11:05:18 -0600
Reply-To: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
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From: John Rodgers <inua@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: Bad tint job rant / any advice?
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Hard to tell exactly the problem- from the pictures - but I can tell
there is enough stuff there to warrant having the intaller go over it
again. Hold their feet to the fire, and have it like YOU want it - to
your satisfaction.
Regards,
John Rodgers
88 GL Driver
Dr.Chris wrote:
> Here are some direct links to pics for anyone who does not have access
> to the yahoogroups website:
>
> http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/DoctorChris/upperrear.jpg
> http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/DoctorChris/upperpassenger.jpg
> http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/DoctorChris/rearpassenger.jpg
> http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/DoctorChris/passengerwindow.jpg
> http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/DoctorChris/passengervent.jpg
> http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r18/DoctorChris/passengerrear.jpg
>
> I left a message for the shop owner and will be going up to his shop
> as soon as he's in.
>
> If these air bubbles do disappear over time then great, and I have not
> done anythig to the windows (and won't) until I've talked to him. But
> the tint job was finished on Monday and it is Thursday morning so
> they've already had a couple of days to work themselves out.
>
> Chris
>
> On 12/21/06, John Rodgers <inua@charter.net> wrote:
>> Sorry to hear of your problems with this.
>>
>> I think Sudhir's advice is best. Take it back to the installers. If it's
>> decent shop, you should have warranties on labor and materials.
>>
>> It also sounds as if you were not properly informed and eductaed by the
>> tint shop, an essential thing for good service.
>>
>> My son has for years run the most successful tint shop in Birmingham,
>> AL. He spends a lot time educating his customers, and he has three
>> generations in families coming to him now for their tint work.
>>
>> In his shop, they often do cutouts around hardware. It depends on the
>> situation. It's a some times yes, sometime no kind of thing that is
>> determined by the degree of difficulty, relative gain in performance,
>> and what kind of difficulties might be induced by removing hardware
>> rather than making cutouts.
>>
>> Also, newly installed tint will always have some water bubbles trapped
>> under it. Out in the light these look for all the world like massive air
>> bubbles. I can't tell you how many time - in spite of the educating of
>> the customer - they bring them back complaining of "air bubbles'. These
>> disappear over a few days - especially in summer's heat - as the water
>> dissapates and the glue cures.
>>
>> During that curing time it is essential that no windows be cranked down.
>> It is really easy to pull up the edges of newly installed tint. It often
>> requires installing new tint.
>>
>> Don't clean a newly installed tint job after it leaves the shop. Give it
>> several days to let that glue cure. And even then, use ONLY Johnsons
>> baby shampoo diluted 2 tablespoons to a quart of water. It cleans well,
>> floats away and dust or dirt, and leaves the oils in the tint. Any agent
>> with ammonia in it will destroy the tint by removing the oils.
>>
>> Not defending the tint shop that did your job, just pointing out
>> somethings that customers often are not told.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Rodgers
>> 88 GL Driver
>>
>> Dr.Chris wrote:
>> > I've uploaded some photos to the "1986 AdventureWesty Syncro GL"
>> > directory the direct link is:
>> >
>> > http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/vanagon/photos/browse/f4cf
>> >
>> > The job looks even worse in real life, it is very hard to photograph
>> > tint flaws due to reflections and focus issues.
>> >
>> > Looking at it in daylight though the rear window is the worst part the
>> > WHOLE JOB looks like crap. There are bubbles in every window some MUCH
>> > worse than others, the tint is even damaged from the inside on one
>> > window.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On 12/20/06, Dr. Chris <gronski@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> I started a separate thread about removing my vent windows to have
>> >> them re-tinted but I wanted your take on what a professional tint job
>> >> should really look like.
>> >>
>> >> I was dismayed that the upper rear window of the AW top looks like
>> one
>> >> of those cheesy home jobs after being on back window for five
>> years...
>> >> only the tint job is brand new.
>> >>
>> >> The skylight on the AW top does not go to the edge, and the gap is
>> >> uneven. Although you can't see tyhis with the skylight closed it
>> >> speaks to shoddy workmanship.
>> >>
>> >> The vent windows have cutouts in them to go around the associated
>> >> hardware, and the worst part about that is that they are right there
>> >> in my eyeline all the time to to remind me.
>> >>
>> >> Thankfully I removed all the hardware from the sliding windows so at
>> >> least I think they will come out OK.
>> >>
>> >> In a bunch of spots I can see smudges and dirt, but can't tell if it
>> >> is inside or outside the car. I'm going to call the manager of the
>> >> tint shop tomorrow and see what he says about washing the windows
>> >> BEFORE I wash them to find out the status... lest he blames the tint
>> >> flaws on my washing job.
>> >>
>> >> Tomorrow morning I will upload photos to the Yahoo groups website or
>> >> p-mail anyone who is interested.
>> >>
>> >> Any advice on how to handle this?
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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