Date:         Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:23:00 -0700
Reply-To:     Bob Elliott <bobe@LAME.CA>
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From:         Bob Elliott <bobe@LAME.CA>
Subject:      Re: Battery usage shouldn't be our style. (p-mail)
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At 07:25 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:

>Uh, I THINK your solar panels definitely outweigh the eight D-cells
>I've bought since... well, probably longer than you've been alive.

That may be true if you've bought under 100 of them.

Times change and we need to change with them. Stating because you
bought D cells for "X" number of years contains no logical link for
continuing to do so. Solar panels off-set their negative
environmental impact quite quickly the more they are utilized ...
this is not true of the disposable 'D' cell.

>Anyway, you put your lead-acid vanagon batteries on in the morning
>the same way I do.

That's the point damnit! Re-read my initial email! I've admitted to
the fact that I own and adore an environmentally challenged vehicle
and I just want us to try to do something to counter-act that
fact!!!!! Buying 8 D cells to cool ourselves for 24 hours and then
throwing them in a land-fill is irresponsible, lazy, unimaginative
and environmentally harmful ... it doesn't help anyone, including you!

>It didn't go without notice that you used the diminutive of my name
>as an attempt at an insult. But what more would we expect?

What? Someone on this list attempting to insult another? I'm shocked!
Truly shocked. How could people treat each other so? With the
heightened sensitivities that you posses and the careful manner with
which you engage in discourse with others it must have been truly
shocking and upsetting.

Hoping you recover soon ...

Your friend,

Bobby Elliott





>On Aug 6, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Bob Elliott wrote:
>
>>Here we go ... yes Jimmy the production of solar panels do cause
>>pollution during their manufacture but, once they're produced and
>>being utilized to generate electricity they themselves do not pollute
>>any further, unlike coal electric plants, internal combustion
>>engines, hydrogen power plants (hydrogen takes great amounts of
>>non-renewable energy to make), even wind generators need
>>maintenance etc.
>>
>>Thanks for playing ...
>>
>>Oh btw ... please don't take the comment of mine that you quoted as
>>being a platitude for it is a list proven truth ... as your response
>>has shown us.
>>
>>sincerely,
>>
>>bob elliott
>>
>>
>>At 06:51 PM 8/6/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>I realize that the 'old guard' will find many faults with this
>>>>>>writing and will somehow devise a way to defend 8 disposable "D"
>>>>>>cell
>>>>>>usage for a fan. To them I say that a wide tongue is often the
>>>>>>product of a narrow heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>sincerely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>bob elliott
>>>
>>>
>>>Save me the f*****g platitudes and go google how much the manufacture
>>>or your solar panels pollute the earth.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>d
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>>Have you noticed that shallow is the new deep.
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Have you noticed that shallow is the new deep.


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