Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:55:32 -0400
Reply-To: Ken Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Ken Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Exciting things happening at Van-Again!
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If the two vans I have here are any sample of what they are selling I am
pretty impressed. The 2001 is in like new condition and also has a
GPS/DVD player in the dash area. The 1995 is very good to excellent
condition (paint is not as shiny as the 2001 and it has the 5-cylinder
engine instead of the 6 cylinder). I wonder if Patrick even works for
them any more. I have only dealt with Kyle, Chris and Lou.
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
www.vanagain.com
Christopher Gronski wrote:
>There was some talk on PTH recently, and yes I was "patient zero". PTH
>recently offered me $6,000 for my fully loaded highly customized
>syncro. I was upset at the lowbal offer and quite a few people ran
>with that sentiment. I am going to repost my corrispondence with PTH
>at the bottom of this e-mail so people can have a browse again. I did
>get an e-mail from them sometime later with a more reasonable pricing
>if my van was in stock condition, I meant to send it to the list but
>never got around to it... I now feel a bit remiss in not sending this
>"second offer" so to speak but better late than never.
>
>I should add that I don't think any of the rants that came out of my
>initial post were from anyone who had actually dealt with PTH (other
>than me getting initially lowballed by them). So I cannot say that
>there is anything inherently wrong with PTH (although one listee
>pointed out that the better business beureau indicated that "We have
>enough concern about this company that we recommend caution when doing
>business with it"), I just would never sell my van to PTH..
>
>Having said all that, I WOULD TRUST KEN WILFORD WITH JUST ABOUT
>ANYTHING! He is honest, straightforward, and stands by his work.
>
>Chris
>
>Here is my conversation with PTH...
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Patrick
>Date: Jul 7, 2005 4:12 PM
>Subject: PTH Vehicle for sale
>To: gronski@gmail.com
>Cc: "Lou (Pop Top Heaven)"
>
>Hello,
>
>Thanks for contacting us regarding your intention to sale your
>vehicle. We contacted our list of buyers and we currently have a
>buyer at 6,000.00. The money is on file with us at this time. We can
>wire it to you at your earliest convenience. Please let us know how
>you would like to proceed. You may contact Lou (Pop Top Heaven) at
>(909) 821-3398 or email Patrick (Pop Top Heaven) at
>patrickasm@verizon.net. We look forward to hearing from you.
>
>Best,
>
>Pop Top Heaven
>
>------------------------------------------
>Christopher Gronski to patrickasm, Lou Jul 7
>------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Patrick, is there an error in that price? Did you get the details
>of the van's equipment?:
>
>Front and rear AC (front unit is BEHR aftermarket)
>Two gas heaters (Webasto BBW46 & Eberspacher B1L)
>Volks Cafe big bumpers w/ front and rear 2" hitches
>SA grille with relay setup
>Six 15" SA Alloy Rhein Wheels with Michelin Agilis 51 215/65-15 tires
>Volks Cafe oversized spare tire carrier
>side step
>bra
>silver reflective window insulation pads for all windows
>"secret audio" radio and 6 disc CD changer
>optima auxiliary battery
>2 battery trickle chargers (wired into shore power)
>SA "Big Brake" Kit
>SA super heavy duty mud flaps
>12.4 gallon aux. fuel tank
>smoked glass turn signals & tail lamps
>"Bagawest" fiberglass box for front luggage rack
>removable middle bench seat
>removable front bench seat (passenger side, replaces passenger seat -
>color does not match)
>Eurovan type sink faucet
>rear hatch, skylight, sliding door, and front window (driver and
>passenger) screens
>full width front rubber floor mat
>Yakima 4 bike swing away hitch rack
>rear three point seat belts
>S&S header exhaust system
>seven horns (wired inline)
>oversized wiper blades (21" & 19")
>cab window vent inserts
>VW logo stove grill inserts
>propane tank gauge
>
>Please let me know,
>Chris
>
>------------------------------------------
>Patrick to me Jul 7
>------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Chris,
>The price below is what one of our listed buyers has offered for the
>vehicle. What is the absolute minimum you are willing to part with the
>vehicle for? That way I can avoid bringing low bids your way.
>
>Best,
>Patrick (Pop Top Heaven)
>
>------------------------------------------
>Christopher Gronski to patrickasm Jul 7
>------------------------------------------
>
>Its a syncro full westy and you've seen the mileage and equipment
>list, would you sell for $6,000? If you would I will gladly take as
>many syncro westies as you can provide in similar condition at that
>price.
>
>Your website says "Click here to determine the value of your vehicle"
>and "Click the link above or to the right to get a FREE valuation of
>your vehicle!" it does not say click here to get a list of current
>bidders. I am not going to start this process by revealing what I
>think it is worth... that is not a valuation.
>
>------------------------------------------
>Chris Nelson to me Jul 14
>------------------------------------------
>
>Patrick asked me to contact you regarding valuation of your vehicle.
>I originally told him about a buyer interested at $6000. If it
>weren't modified, we'd consider offering you more and buying it
>ourselves. It's obvious you know your Syncros, but our buyers want
>original equipment. It's a bit of a cult following J
>
>I don't want to waste your time, and I feel you'll do much better on
>eBay or another online source. To be honest, I'd not mention the
>modifications…you'll get a much higher price.
>
>Best,
>Chris
>
>------------------------------------------
>Christopher Gronski to chris Jul 22
>------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>I have put out some feelers and am able to unload almost all non
>standard equipment at a very attractive price. I've still saved all my
>old parts, in case I ever wanted to go back to stock, the AC will be a
>bit of work to pull out of the dash but its still very do-able. So
>what is my van worth if I put her back in stock condition?
>
>Chris
>
>------------------------------------------
> Chris Nelson to me Jul 25
>------------------------------------------
>
>If you've added A/C to the dash, I'd leave that. I recommend you put
>the sink, fridge, interior, etc. back in original condition.
>
>With 86K miles, and in excellent condition, you can probably get up to
>$15K for it. It's all about keeping the van's stock. The last 86
>Syncro we had sold for about $13,000. You should consider eBay too,
>sometimes they go for more there.
>
>Best,
>Chris
>
>On 9/14/05, BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On 9/14/05, Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>
>>><< Also we are joining up with a company that many of you have heard about
>>>called Pop Top Heaven. Basically we are going to be a dealer for them
>>>on the East Coast and we already have two of their nice Eurovan Campers
>>>here for sale a 2001 and a 1995. We are planning to have up to six
>>>campers here for sale at all times. Pop Top Heaven is a dealer in
>>>premium VW Campers and we are proud to be a part of their team.>>
>>>
>>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Ken,
>>
>>Is that really a good thing? IIRC, there was a lot of negative talk about
>>PTH on the List. Maybe it was Chris Gronski who posted recently. Chris?
>>Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?
>>
>>--
>>BenT
>>
>>Van-O-Rama
>>coming 09/24/05
>>So. San Francisco
>>
>>
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