Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:07:51 -0400
Reply-To: vw4x4@FYI.NET
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From: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject: Re: engineering nightmares vehicles was: cruise control
speedometer sensor
In-Reply-To: <JHEHKLEAKBLMKEJMBNOOAEDHDJAA.jeff@vanagonparts.com>
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Very diplomatic reply there Jeff, and I could not agree more.
Here is the real killing: (He states)
"You have NO idea how much better the vehicle is to drive now"
I guess he has a spy camera and has been watching me work
on cars for the last 30 year.......LOL
Eric
Jeffrey Schwaia wrote:
>Steve,
>
>First of all, you shouldn't have let yourself be sucked in to a post that's
>obviously intended to start a flame war.
>
>Secondly, I wish people would put in their posts comments like: "in my
>experience", or "in my opinion".
>
>In "your experience" the Subaru is great and the WBX'er is crap, "in my
>experience", the WBX'er has never failed me and never failed CA smog, and
>that's over the course of 18 years and 6 different Vanagons.
>
>I guess what I'm trying to say is that experiences and opinions are quite
>personal and whenever someone makes statements of fact that are actually
>opinions it almost always starts a flame war.
>
>JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.....
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jeff
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
>Of Steve
>Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:28 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: engineering nightmares vehicles was: cruise control
>speedometer sensor
>
>
>At 08:18 AM 10/26/2004, Eric Zeno wrote:
>
>
>
>>I'm suprized at the trouble you subaru people will go
>>thru, (like making these circuits), to fit a cross bread
>>engine.
>>
>>
>
>What trouble? In one year, the average VW engine user
>will spend more time fiddling around with distributor parts
>than I spent designing and building that VSS circuit.
>
>I seem to have a lot of extra time to sit around and
>design fun stuff like that now that I'm not spending all
>my time trying to keep a VW motor running decently
>and get it past the CA smog man....
>I've got 18 months and 13K+ miles on my conversion
>and the only thing I've had to do besides change an O2
>sensor is change oil and filter.
>I don't even have to add oil between changes.
>I've almost forgotten what it's like to have grease under
>my fingernails all the time.
>Yessir, got a helluva lot of spare time now that I no
>longer have a VW motor to work on.
>
>
>
>> IF a Subaru is so good just go buy one.
>>
>>
>
>If Subaru made a vehicle with a stove, a fridge, a poptop,
>that can haul 12' lumber and is as fun to drive as the
>Vanagon, I'd be all over it. But to my knowledge they don't.
>
>
>
>
>>There are no issues like this with an inline vw
>>engines to solve.
>>
>>
>
>Uhhh... yeah. No issues like THAT...plenty of other issues though.
>I've seen the problems and complaints the I-4 installers have.
>
>
>
>> Good engineering does things as
>>simple as possible. VW kept things simple. You
>>need to keep it that way.
>>
>>
>
>Tell it to all the new VW's that have a speed sensor.
>It's an OBD2 requirement and pretty much every new car
>has got one. Including VW's.
>If you want to convert a vanagon with a late model OBD2
>VW engine you're going to need a speed sensor.
>
>And no Eric, simpler is not always better. If the end result is
>the same, then simpler is better. But if added complexity gives
>clearly superior results, then simple loses.
>
>
>
>>PS There is only 2 type's of people: VW type engineering
>>people, and then there are engineering nightmares.
>>
>>
>
>The WBX *IS* an engineering nightmare. The cooling system
>alone is probably one of the worst automotive designs on the
>planet.If the WBX is "VW type engineering" then you can have
>it and I hope I never see it again.
>
>I spent more time screwing around with the WBX trying to get
>it to be a real motor than I spent doing the Subaru conversion.
>And now, for my trouble, I have a REAL motor, with REAL
>performance, and REAL reliability, instead of the silly
>pretend motor that the marvelous VW engineering people
>tried to stick me with. You have NO idea how much better
>the vehicle is to drive now.
>It turns a very good vehicle into an EXCELLENT vehicle.
>
>Keep your I-4's. I have nothing against folks who put one in their
>van. Put a Harley Davidson motor in for all I care. I'd even help
>do it if they're friendly and buy me a beer.
>
>If you've got such a big problem with subaru conversions, I
>suggest you set your filters to toss everything with the word
>"subaru" or "subie" directly into the trash. It'll keep you
>from displaying your ignorance to the list quite as often.
>
>Steve
>'86 Westy "Escape Pod" (EJ22)
>'73 Beetle "ain't got a name yet"
>++++++++++
>Universal Hall effect VSS fits '86 and later speedo. Works with 2WD or
>Syncro.
>http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/automotive/vanagon/vss.html
>Need a cure for the Subie-Westy "alternator light problem"?
>http://www.weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/automotive/vanagon/alt_fix.html
>
>
>
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