Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:07:39 -0400
Reply-To: Joy Hecht <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
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From: Joy Hecht <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
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Hmm, Warren, I rather think the causality goes the other way. I believe we
should protect the environment, which is why I am disturbed by attempts to
get around the rules - whether by people on this list or by anyone else
including politicians and large corporations (and of course their impact is
much worse than that of anyone on this list). It's also (at least in part)
why I work on environmental issues for a living. It's also why I felt it
was appropriate to divest myself of most of my possessions, why I hope I
won't re-accumulate them when I get stable housing again, why I own a Prius,
and why I have misgivings about the Vanagon because of its lousy gas
mileage. But I don't always practice what I preach, because I'm still
living and traveling in the Vanagon, not my Prius!
And I'm waiting till it's Friday before I hit the "send" button! :-)
Joy
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Joy Hecht
and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
For musings about life and the vanadventures:
http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
****************************************************************:::-----Orig
inal Message-----
:::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
:::Of Warren McQuiggan
:::Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:06 PM
:::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
:::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
:::
:::We all have to respect Joy and her opinions as she is a professional
:::environmentalist and as such has no choice but to take the hard line.
:::
:::Myself on the other hand love my Vanagons so much that I'll cheat a
:::little
:::to assure they continue to make it down the road for a few more years.
:::
:::
:::
:::----- Original Message -----
:::From: "Joy Hecht" <jhecht@ALUM.MIT.EDU>
:::To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
:::Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:30 AM
:::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
:::
:::
:::> Craig,
:::>
:::> I'll agree my comment was judgmental. But there's a difference between
:::> helping people identify and fix an emissions problem and helping people
:::> cheat on their emissions test. I'm all for the former, which I thought
:::> was
:::> what the list was about. I'm not for the latter. Polluting isn't a
:::> victimless crime, and I'm sorry to be on a list used to facilitate it.
:::>
:::>
:::> Joy
:::>
:::> ****************************************************************
:::> Joy Hecht
:::> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
:::>
:::> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
:::> http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
:::>
:::> ****************************************************************:::----
:::-Orig
:::> inal Message-----
:::> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
:::Behalf
:::> :::Of Craig Oda
:::> :::Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:33 AM
:::> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
:::> :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
:::> :::
:::> :::Joy, sorry, but this comment seems too judgemental. It might make
:::> :::people reluctant to share information. I think that people should
:::> :::share information on factors that affect emissions testing and let
:::the
:::> :::individuals decide whether to try tricks to pass emissions testing.
:::> :::
:::> :::There may be people on the list that don't care about the
:::environment.
:::> ::: There may be people that care deeply about the health of the
:::planet.
:::> :::There may be gross polluters and there may be people that lust for
:::low
:::> :::emissions vehicles. There may be people that share the same views
:::> :::as you on religion, politics, and the environment. However, there
:::are
:::> :::people that have different views too.
:::> :::
:::> :::I'm not here to discuss religion, politics, the olympics, or the
:::> :::environment. Let's keep the topic to the vans.
:::> :::
:::> :::On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:25:39 -0400, Joy Hecht <jhecht@alum.mit.edu>
:::> :::wrote:
:::> :::> Hi all,
:::> :::>
:::> :::> I know it's nice to pass your emissions test without any expense,
:::but
:::> :::you
:::> :::> know, those emissions tests are there for a reason, and it's not
:::> simply
:::> :::to
:::> :::> hassle us. NOX emissions are harmful to all of us, and to the
:::> natural
:::> :::> environment of which we are one small part - those controls are
:::there
:::> :::to
:::> :::> protect people and animals and plants, not to make the government
:::> feel
:::> :::> powerful.
:::> :::>
:::> :::> I think we all enjoy the opportunity that our vans give us to
:::travel
:::> :::and
:::> :::> experience the environment. Is it really acceptable to cheat on
:::your
:::> :::> emissions tests to save yourself a couple of hundred bucks, but
:::pass
:::> on
:::> :::the
:::> :::> harm you cause to the environment to hurt other people?
:::> :::>
:::> :::> I'd be disappointed if most of the people in this community felt
:::it
:::> :::was.
:::> :::>
:::> :::> Joy
:::> :::>
:::> :::> ****************************************************************
:::> :::> Joy Hecht
:::> :::> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
:::> :::>
:::> :::> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
:::> :::> http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
:::> :::>
:::> :::>
:::> ****************************************************************:::----
:::> :::-Orig
:::> :::> inal Message-----
:::> :::> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]
:::On
:::> :::Behalf
:::> :::> :::Of Bob Stevens
:::> :::> :::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:30 PM
:::> :::> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
:::> :::> :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
:::> :::> :::
:::> :::> :::Both W-boxer and TIICO emissions experience: I have failed
:::> emissions
:::> :::in
:::> :::>
:::> :::>
:::> :::> :::this
:::> :::> :::area in the past with both motors, went home and retarded the
:::> :::advance to
:::> :::> :::about "0", took it back and passed with flying colors. Back
:::home
:::> and
:::> :::> :::advance
:::> :::> :::the timing to where it is recommended (5-6 w-boxer, 10-12
:::TIICO)
:::> and
:::> :::> :::done.
:::> :::> :::
:::> :::> :::Bob Stevens
:::> :::> :::
:::> :::> :::http://groups.msn.com/BobsPhotoShare
:::> :::> :::http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiico
:::> :::> :::
:::> :::> ::::::-----Original Message-----
:::> :::> ::::::From: Vanagon Mailing List
:::[mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]
:::> On
:::> :::> :::Behalf
:::> :::> ::::::Of Melvin Mudgett-Price
:::> :::> ::::::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:11 AM
:::> :::> ::::::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
:::> :::> ::::::Subject: Failed Emissions Check
:::> :::> ::::::
:::> :::> ::::::Took my van for its Ohio e-Check yesterday. The engine has
:::> 20,000
:::> :::on a
:::> :::> ::::::rebuilt Boston Bob. It passed with flying colors 2 years
:::ago.
:::> :::This
:::> :::> :::time
:::> :::> ::::::it failed on Nitrous Oxide emissions, they are supposed to
:::be
:::> :::around
:::> :::> ::::::900, mine were 1,900.
:::> :::> ::::::
:::> :::> ::::::I called my regular mechanic (VW specialist) and he said
:::there
:::> :::was
:::> :::> ::::::nothing he could do, when van's start failing their
:::emissions
:::> :::test
:::> :::> ::::::that's usually the end for them. This sounds like total bs
:::to
:::> me
:::> :::and I
:::> :::> ::::::don't know why he doesn't seem to want to even look at the
:::van.
:::> :::Called
:::> :::> ::::::another VW shop and they said no problem, bring it in.
:::> :::> ::::::
:::> :::> ::::::Now to my question. What sort of things would cause the "NO"
:::to
:::> :::be
:::> :::> :::high.
:::> :::> ::::::I would like have some idea not because the mechanic will
:::try
:::> :::> :::bamboozle
:::> :::> ::::::me but because I don't like to be in the position where he
:::> could.
:::> :::> ::::::
:::> :::> ::::::Thanks
:::> :::> ::::::Melvin
:::> :::> ::::::83.5 Westy
:::> :::>
:::>
:::>
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