Date:         Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:33:01 -0700
Reply-To:     Craig Oda <craigoda@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Craig Oda <craigoda@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Failed Emissions Check
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Joy, sorry, but this comment seems too judgemental.  It might make
people reluctant to share information.  I think that people should
share information on factors that affect emissions testing and let the
individuals decide whether to try tricks to pass emissions testing.

There may be people on the list that don't care about the environment.
 There may be people that care deeply about the health of the planet.
There may be gross polluters and there may be people that lust for low
emissions vehicles.    There may be people that share the same views
as you on religion, politics, and the environment.  However, there are
people that have different views too.

I'm not here to discuss religion, politics, the olympics, or the
environment.  Let's keep the topic to the vans.

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:25:39 -0400, Joy Hecht <jhecht@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I know it's nice to pass your emissions test without any expense, but you
> know, those emissions tests are there for a reason, and it's not simply to
> hassle us.  NOX emissions are harmful to all of us, and to the natural
> environment of which we are one small part - those controls are there to
> protect people and animals and plants, not to make the government feel
> powerful.
>
> I think we all enjoy the opportunity that our vans give us to travel and
> experience the environment. Is it really acceptable to cheat on your
> emissions tests to save yourself a couple of hundred bucks, but pass on the
> harm you cause to the environment to hurt other people?
>
> I'd be disappointed if most of the people in this community felt it was.
>
> Joy
>
> ****************************************************************
> Joy Hecht
> and Matilda, 1989 Burgundy Vanagon
>
> For musings about life and the vanadventures:
> http://users.rcn.com/jhecht/gypsy
>
> ****************************************************************:::-----Orig
> inal Message-----
> :::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> :::Of Bob Stevens
> :::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:30 PM
> :::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> :::Subject: Re: Failed Emissions Check
> :::
> :::Both W-boxer and TIICO emissions experience: I have failed emissions in
>
>
> :::this
> :::area in the past with both motors, went home and retarded the advance to
> :::about "0", took it back and passed with flying colors. Back home and
> :::advance
> :::the timing to where it is recommended (5-6 w-boxer, 10-12 TIICO) and
> :::done.
> :::
> :::Bob Stevens
> :::
> :::http://groups.msn.com/BobsPhotoShare
> :::http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tiico
> :::
> ::::::-----Original Message-----
> ::::::From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> :::Behalf
> ::::::Of Melvin Mudgett-Price
> ::::::Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:11 AM
> ::::::To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> ::::::Subject: Failed Emissions Check
> ::::::
> ::::::Took my van for its Ohio e-Check yesterday. The engine has 20,000 on a
> ::::::rebuilt Boston Bob. It passed with flying colors 2 years ago. This
> :::time
> ::::::it failed on Nitrous Oxide emissions, they are supposed to be around
> ::::::900, mine were 1,900.
> ::::::
> ::::::I called my regular mechanic (VW specialist) and he said there was
> ::::::nothing he could do, when van's start failing their emissions test
> ::::::that's usually the end for them. This sounds like total bs to me and I
> ::::::don't know why he doesn't seem to want to even look at the van. Called
> ::::::another VW shop and they said no problem, bring it in.
> ::::::
> ::::::Now to my question. What sort of things would cause the "NO" to be
> :::high.
> ::::::I would like have some idea not because the mechanic will try
> :::bamboozle
> ::::::me but because I don't like to be in the position where he could.
> ::::::
> ::::::Thanks
> ::::::Melvin
> ::::::83.5 Westy
>