Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 23:41:22 -0400
Reply-To: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
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From: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject: Re: Front differential lock with a non-VC Syncro - valve safety
question
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I would think that if you are in a bad situation you would want to
lock everything, but if you were driving in, let say, snow covered
roads, but not stuck, you will not want to loose tracking of having
the axles solid locked.
Eric 86-VW4x4
vw4x4@fyi.net 86-SS Syncro
Pittsburgh, PA USA 1936-Chrysler
92-Jetta GWC
www.fyi.net/~vw4x4/vw4x4.htm
On Sun, 16 May 2004, David Marshall wrote:
> I seldom use the front diff lock - but I use the rear quite a bit. The
> Belgium version of the Bombardier/VW Iltis locks front and rear at the same
> time - I never could see the logic behind this!
>
> David Marshall
>
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> Quesnel BC Canada V2J 6Z3
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> Of Eric Zeno
> Sent: May 16, 2004 10:15 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Front differential lock with a non-VC Syncro - valve safety
> question
>
>
> Dave,
> How about haveing one valve control 4wd mode and the other
> control both front and rear axle locks?
>
> Eric 86-VW4x4
> vw4x4@fyi.net 86-SS Syncro
> Pittsburgh, PA USA 1936-Chrysler
> 92-Jetta GWC
> www.fyi.net/~vw4x4/vw4x4.htm
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2004, David Marshall wrote:
>
> > I spent a good hour tonight figuring out the best way to plumb in my front
> differential lock on my TriStar. It already has a rear differential lock
> and a drive shaft decoupler. For those of you who lack the back ground on
> the vacuum controlled differential locks - this is how they work.
> >
> > There is a control valve that you can pull / push in the cab of the
> vehicle has three connections on it. The center connection on the valve has
> a constant vacuum that comes from the vacuum reservoir that is in the mid
> section of the vehicle next to the drive shaft - this vacuum comes from the
> brake booster circuit. Depending on if the valve is pushed in or out will
> dictate which of the other two pipes attached to the valve will have a
> vacuum. This vacuum will then move a diaphram on vacuum actuator on the
> differential lock. This diaphram has a pin attached to it that moves the
> mechanism on the inside of the transmission to lock the differential or the
> drive shaft decoupler. A very elegant system to say the least.
> >
> > The original concept that did not have a viscous coupling had a drive
> shaft decoupler installed on the transmission. This drive shaft decoupler
> was not vacuum operated like drive shaft decouplers you can purchase now.
> Instead there was a control cable that went to the decoupler. When you
> remove the plastic cover to expose the control valves, it isn't hard to see
> that it was designed for only two sets of control valves as there really
> isn't that much room there for another set of pipes for a third vacuum
> valve. Coming up from the floor is the 'source' vacuum line that goes to a
> T and then goes to the center of the two vacuum valves. There isn't enough
> room to neatly add a second T for the third valve - not if you want to do it
> neatly anyhow. Then I started thinking about a possible 'neatness' solution
> to this - even though you would never see the mess behind the plastic cover.
> >
> > When the drive shaft decoupler is on (putting the vehicle in 4x4 mode)
> there will always be a vacuum to the 'on' line that goes to the vacuum
> actuator of the decoupler. What I decided to do is make this 'on line' to
> the decoupler feed the control valve for the front differential lock so that
> it can only be operated when the van is in 4x4 mode. There is a very good
> pro and one con to this idea.
> >
> > On the pro side, driving down the highway in 2WD mode it would be
> impossible to turn the front differential lock on by mistake as it would
> involve pulling two control valves to make it happen. Turning the front
> locker on will make it almost impossible to steer as both front wheels will
> turn at the same rate. In order to turn the front locker on, it would HAVE
> to be in 4x4 mode.
> >
> > The con to this is, the only way to turn the front differential lock off
> would be to be in 4x4 mode as you would not have a source of vacuum in 2WD
> mode. I can't see this being big issue as how would it turn on in 2WD mode
> to begin with and you can't accidentally leave it on in 4x4 mode as it is
> still quite hard to steer even in the greasy stuff!
> >
> > As a potential solution to this, I though of perhaps installing a spring
> on the vacuum actuator for the front differential lock that will apply
> outward pressure on the locking pin, so if vacuum to the actuator is lost,
> the force of the spring would make it go in the open position.
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas on this 'brain wave' of mine?
> >
> > David Marshall
> >
> > Fast Forward Automotive Inc.
> > 4356 Quesnel-Hixon Road
> > Quesnel BC Canada V2J 6Z3
> >
> > http://www.fastforward.ca mailto:sales@fastforward.ca
> > Phone: (250) 992 7775 FAX: (250) 992 1160
> >
> > - Vanagon Accessories and Engine Conversions
> > - Vanagon, Transporter and Iltis Sales and Importation
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