Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:32:02 -0500
Reply-To: 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
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My Projektwzo copies have the plastic caps, I just shot a can
of Krown rustproofer inside, it will swish around as I drive.
I'll probably do it once a season.
Thanks,
Chris
---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:21:31 -0600
>From: Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>
>Ken,
>
>Thanks for the comments and clarifications. I guess my
biggest concern would
>be the plastic caps on the ends. I'd worry about water
making it into the
>tubes and starting some rust. Sounds like a good product.
>
>The price drop is certainly a nice feature. I wish you
success.
>
>Cheers,
>Bruce
>
>
>
>>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:01:56 -0500
>>
>>Good point. About Pzwo caring, I am sure that would care
about the use
>>of their name if I was saying they were Pzwo bull bars and
they weren't.
>>The only reason I mention them is for comparison sake.
They have
>>discontinued selling these bull bar bumpers (it is my
understanding that
>>they didn't actually make them, just marketed and sold them
under their
>>name). I could say, "Hey I have a set of bull bar bumpers
for sale."
>>and not mention Pzwo but mentioning them usually brings up
the image of
>>what they look like in a person's mind. Anyway, the other
bumpers that
>>we sell are made in the US. The three main differences
that I know if
>>between them and the original Projektzwo bull bar bumpers
are:
>>The Pzwo bumper had a very thin aluminum plate "step" on
the top, these
>>have nothing there.
>>The Pzwo bumper had welded round metal caps on the ends of
the pipes,
>>these have plastic caps.
>>The rear bumper on these has a 2" receiver hitch welded in,
the Pzwo
>>bumpers did not have this.
>>
>>These are the facts. I guess I'll have to wait until one
of my newer
>>customers hits an Antelope to tell you for sure the US made
ones are up
>>to the same standard as the Projektwzo ones.
>>
>>PS did I mention the price was half. This is mainly
because of not
>>having to pay tons of money for shipping from Germany.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ken Wilford
>>John 3:16
>>http://www.vanagain.com
>>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
>>Phone: (856)-327-4936
>>Fax: (856)-327-2242
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Vanagon Mailing List
[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>Of Bruce Nadig
>>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:14 PM
>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>>
>>
>>Ken,
>>
>>Have you checked your own web site recently? I just checked
and it
>>clearly says "Bulli Bar Bumper- Front-$1399 (Black, Powder
Coated)
>>Discontinued" and "Projektzwo Rear Bumper (Black, Powder
Coated)-
>>$899.00 (Discontinued)". Sure, it looks like you are
offering an
>>American made alternative, but is it made to the same
standards (I'm NOT
>>American bashing here!)? Two things can look the same, but
be made to
>>very different standards when you take into consideration
type of steel,
>>gauge, quality of the welds, etc.
>>
>>The reason I bring this up is that you specifically
reference the
>>Projektzwo name where you are trying to sell an imitation
product. The
>>Projektzwo folks probably wouldn't be too happy about this.
I'll be the
>>first to admit that the American made alternative you offer
could be
>>every bit as good, if not better, than the discontinued PZ
units, but
>>please try to be careful when representing your products.
>>
>>I think we have all had disappointing experiences with look
alike
>>products. Generic toilet paper just ain't the same as
Charmin. Just
>>because the PZ bull bar survived an antelope doesn't mean
that your
>>generic (which the American units basically are, who knows
who is making
>>these bumpers and to what standard?) bars will do the same.
>>
>>Just my two cents.
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>> >Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> >Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>> >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:41:58 -0500
>> >
>> >If you look on our website on the accessories page you
will see the
>> >Projektzwo bull bars that we sell. I can only tell you
about them that
>>
>> >one of my customers hit an antelope with one and it bent
the bull bar
>> >some but the front of the van was unhurt. Pretty tough.
Then they
>> >just bent the bumper back again (torch and welding
equipment required)
>> >and they were good to go. Just FYI.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Ken Wilford
>> >John 3:16
>> >http://www.vanagain.com
>> >http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
>> >Phone: (856)-327-4936
>> >Fax: (856)-327-2242
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Vanagon Mailing List
[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>
>> >Of robertmstewart
>> >Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:28 PM
>> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> >Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>> >
>> >
>> > > Anyone know if all of these bush guards or rear guards
actually do
>> > > anything to protect the van in event of an accident?,
some look like
>>
>> > > it might do more damage.
>> > >
>> > > I have seem some of these things mounted in Jeep?s
and some appear
>> > > to
>> >
>> > > attached to very weak areas. I just wonder what would
happened if I
>> > > rear ended someone (or hit a tree or deer) with one of
these things
>> > > on
>> >
>> > > what kind of protection it would offer the front end
of the van, the
>>
>> > > driver and front passenger?
>> > >
>> > > Can the front of the Van truly be protected from
damage from a high
>> > > impact accident with a bush guard?
>> > >
>> > > Are they worth their high costs?
>> > >
>> > > What?s their benefit other than looking cool?
>> > >
>> > > What?s the best unit available and from what dealer?
>> > >
>> > > Robert
>> > > NYC
>> > > 89 Carat
>> > > ----------
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Anyone had any experience with Fast Forward Vanagon
Bush Bumpers?.
>> > > Is
>> >
>> > > there a cheaper option available?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Noel
>> > > 82 Westy
>>
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