Date:         Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:14:16 -0600
Reply-To:     Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
Comments: To: kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET
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Ken,

Have you checked your own web site recently? I just checked and it clearly
says "Bulli Bar Bumper- Front-$1399 (Black, Powder Coated) Discontinued" and
"Projektzwo Rear Bumper (Black, Powder Coated)- $899.00 (Discontinued)".
Sure, it looks like you are offering an American made alternative, but is it
made to the same standards (I'm NOT American bashing here!)? Two things can
look the same, but be made to very different standards when you take into
consideration type of steel, gauge, quality of the welds, etc.

The reason I bring this up is that you specifically reference the Projektzwo
name where you are trying to sell an imitation product. The Projektzwo folks
probably wouldn't be too happy about this. I'll be the first to admit that
the American made alternative you offer could be every bit as good, if not
better, than the discontinued PZ units, but please try to be careful when
representing your products.

I think we have all had disappointing experiences with look alike products.
Generic toilet paper just ain't the same as Charmin. Just because the PZ
bull bar survived an antelope doesn't mean that your generic (which the
American units basically are, who knows who is making these bumpers and to
what standard?) bars will do the same.

Just my two cents.

Bruce




>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:41:58 -0500
>
>If you look on our website on the accessories page you will see the
>Projektzwo bull bars that we sell.  I can only tell you about them that
>one of my customers hit an antelope with one and it bent the bull bar
>some but the front of the van was unhurt.  Pretty tough.  Then they just
>bent the bumper back again (torch and welding equipment required) and
>they were good to go.  Just FYI.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken Wilford
>John 3:16
>http://www.vanagain.com
>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
>Phone: (856)-327-4936
>Fax: (856)-327-2242
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>Of robertmstewart
>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:28 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>
>
> > Anyone know if all of these bush guards or rear guards actually do
> > anything to protect the van in event of an accident?, some look like
> > it might do more damage.
> >
> >  I have seem some of these things mounted in Jeepıs and some appear to
>
> > attached to very weak areas. I just wonder what would happened if I
> > rear ended someone (or hit a tree or deer) with one of these things on
>
> > what kind of protection it would offer the front end of the van, the
> > driver and front passenger?
> >
> > Can the front of the Van truly be protected from damage from a high
> > impact accident with a bush guard?
> >
> > Are they worth their high costs?
> >
> > Whatıs their benefit other than looking cool?
> >
> > Whatıs the best unit available and from what dealer?
> >
> > Robert
> > NYC
> > 89 Carat
> > ----------
> >
> >
> > Anyone had any experience with Fast Forward Vanagon Bush Bumpers?.  Is
>
> > there a cheaper option available?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Noel
> > 82 Westy

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