Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:10:29 -0700
Reply-To: wilden1@JUNO.COM
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Water, dirt and rust in gas (where have the gas gone)
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OK once again ............. there is 1.5 gallons in a Vanagon fuel tank
that you can't get to.
Here is how to get to that gas.
#1) Put the driver side as high on jacks as possible or short of that
park with the drivers side wheels upon a curb.
#2) There are also baffles in the tank that keep fuel from sloshing
around, there could be small pockets of rust held in these.
#3) Possibly you could put about five gallons in the tank and rock the
van after you've got the wheels upon the curb or elevated and move
everything towards the fuel drain line and collect more debris.
#4) Make up that suction hose I described with the turkey baster sucker.
#5) You can't syphon the small rust pieces out because they are heavy and
stay on the bottom of the tank ......... you need suction. An alternate
to this would be one of those B&D drill driven pumps that will create
enough suction to get the small pieces out. You'll need to move the hose
around a few times to keep it in the fuel.
#6) If all else fails, order a fuel tank line kit from a list vendor.
Drop the tank, have it boiled out at a radiator shop and reinstall it.
---------------------------
No this isn't the way I did it.
I dropped a weighted rubber fuel line down the fuel fill neck, sealed it
off with duct tape and applied air pressure to the fuel outlet.
Yes it worked.
Got lots of crud out.
Stan Wilder
On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 19:43:47 +0200 Per Martin Joraholmen
<per_martin_j@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> Hi again all
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the replies. I understand it is time for replacing
> that old
> gas tank.
>
>
>
> Hoped I could use the old tank this summer and decided to manually
> separate
> the water/dirt from the gas by emptying out one litre at the time
> from the
> gas tank. The water and dirt is heavier than the gas, so I could
> pour most
> of the gas back into the tank. In theory if I did this many enough
> times, I
> would get rid of most of the water and dirt.
>
>
>
> Pulled the hose from the gas tank today (as yesterday) and only a
> little gas
> came out. Strange as I added 10 litres yesterday. Tried starting the
> van,
> but no chance. Where had all the gas gone ? Time to bring out some
> specialist tools. The first tool is a Manual-Human-Blow-In-Gas-Tank
> tool.
> Basically that is a rubber hose with me on the other end blowing
> into the
> outlet of the gas tank. Opened the gas tank lid before blowing.
> First time,
> yes bobbles, second time bobbles, third time nothing. Strange, and
> time to
> bring out the next specialist tool.
>
Manual-Human-Suction-Gas-From-Tank-That-Will-Make-You-End-Up-With-Gas-In-
You
> r-Mouth tool. Almost the same procedure as the blow tool. Rubber
> hose with
> me on the other end trying to suck gas out of the tank. It worked,
> gas was
> flowing fine out of the tank. Emptied out at litre, connected the
> hose,
> refilled most of the gas. Disconnected the hose again to drain
> another
> litre, but no gas came out. Repeated the Manual-Suction process and
> drained
> out another litre. Repeated this many times, until almost no
> water/dirt was
> in the gas.
>
> Connected the hose again and tried to start the van. No chance.
> Disconnected
> the hose, no gas came out. Filled another 8 litres and can see on
> the gauge
> that there is gas on the tank. No start, no gas to come out of the
> tank.
>
>
>
> What no, where is all the gas ? Any suggestions ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Per
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Per Martin Joraholmen" <per_martin_j@HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 9:06 PM
> Subject: Water, dirt and rust in gas
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Some weeks ago I posted a message about the engine was suffocating.
> I did
> receive several tips, one of hose where to check for water in gas.
> So done,
> and yes, plenty of water. Water was not the only thing I found. Lots
> of
> brown dirt or rust particles were also in the gas. Changed my gas
> filter
> (gas inside the filer was all brown). Hope none of the particles has
> reached
> the injectors. Emptied out as much gas as I could by lifting the car
> on
> front driver side. Filled 10 litres of gas and added water remover
> (not sure
> what it is called in English).
>
> The car is still not handling well. Rechecked for water, and yes it
> is still
> there.
>
>
>
> Two questions:
>
> Anyone know how to completely empty the gas tank ?
>
>
>
> I would probably need to get rid of the dirt particles that are in
> my gas
> tank. Can it be cleaned while mounted on the car and if not, is
> there any
> problems with removing the tank that I should be aware of ?
>
>
>
> It is a -86 Caravelle with a -85 1.9L injection engine (no converter
> or
> oxygen sensor).
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
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