Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:28:12 -0700
Reply-To: Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
We don't necessarily know that James is good. Better to call him innocent
bystander.
Probably a bit hasty to call Jon bad, for that matter. Lets stick with the
original ignorant and lazy.
Seriously, let's drop it. I can accept that some folks are a bit less
diplomatic, or perhaps more rude, than others. I've survived.
Karl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carrington, Tom" <TCarrington@ReliTech.com>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
> My sincere apologies for pointing my finger in the wrong direction!!
>
> James=Good
>
> Jon=Bad
>
> I got it now,
>
> TomC
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james peters [mailto:rickenhacker@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:47 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > Actually I'm not the same "Peters" in question.
> > I do not know who "Jon Peters" is but he is a PITA.
> > Doesn't seem to understand the sticker idea and all those
> > that worked hard
> > for it.
> > (I actually subscribed back on Nov 1999, but was bumped off
> > for some reason,
> > which was OK, because I was gone for a couple weeks when it
> > happened. I
> > re-subscribed when I got back.)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Rick Peters aka (James Peters) NO relation (that i know of to
> > Jon Peters)
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Carrington, Tom" <TCarrington@ReliTech.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Carrington, Tom" <TCarrington@ReliTech.com>
> > >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
> > >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:56:11 -0400
> > >
> > >I agree, Peters is a out of line.
> > >
> > >But.......
> > ><devils advocate>
> > >The only possible reason I could see for this attitude is
> > ignorance. He may
> > >not have known the whole "history" of the sticker project,
> > and may have
> > >thought of this was a business that was offering stickers
> > for sale. And too
> > >lazy to find out what was going on via archives or even asking a few
> > >questions before he ordered the stickers. When I check the
> > subscription
> > >info:
> > >
> > >Subscription for Rick Peters, list vanagon: Subscription
> > date: 24 May 2000
> > >
> > >I see that he is a relatively new list-member.
> > ></devils advocate>
> > >
> > >
> > >Peters, I advise you hide behind the ignorant and lazy excuse.
> > >
> > >Unless you have a better one.
> > >
> > >And a big *THANK YOU* to the "sticker crew".
> > >
> > >TomC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Karl Wolz [mailto:wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > > Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You don't get it' do you?
> > > >
> > > > There is no organization, and the words non-profit are yours,
> > > > not mine. It
> > > > is, as I stated earlier, entirely a volunteer effort.
> > > >
> > > > I and a few other list-members volunteered to get the
> > sticker project
> > > > finished when Ken Wyatt could no longer handle the stress of being
> > > > second-guessed continually. He nobly started this project,
> > > > but was shot
> > > > down enough that he said "To heck with it".
> > > >
> > > > It seemed like a good project, and about a half-dozen of us
> > > > took it over.
> > > > Brent managed the earlier stages of it, like the contest to
> > > > determine a
> > > > design. Frank Condelli did the balloting, and I took care of
> > > > production and
> > > > distribution. I have well over two thousand messages on
> > my hard drive
> > > > relating to this project, and have worked on it till after
> > > > midnight many
> > > > nights. It has mostly been a matter of filling in fifteen
> > > > minutes here and
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > The shipment of your stickers WAS timely, in that they went
> > > > out within a
> > > > week and a half of their arrival at my doorstep (during which
> > > > time I was
> > > > fairly busy ferrying my mother-in-law back and forth to the
> > > > hospital for
> > > > breast cancer surgeries).
> > > >
> > > > Customer service does not really enter into this in that
> > you are not a
> > > > customer and I am not in business here. I have tried to help
> > > > out by taking
> > > > on a chore for which everyone but one has been quite happy
> > > > with both the
> > > > product and the service.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry you don't feel that way.
> > > >
> > > > Karl Wolz
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jon Peters" <jpquick@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:49 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Karl,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would just like to thank you for your timely shipment of
> > > > merchandise and
> > > > > your great customer service skills. Perhaps next time I
> > > > should just stop
> > > > by
> > > > > and pick them up from your non-profit organization.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > >To: "Jon Peters" <jpquick@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:23:06 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Glad you got them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >An estimated timetable was published to the list several
> > > > times by both
> > > > > >myself and Brent Christenson. However, you aren't the
> > only one who
> > > > managed
> > > > > >to avoid all of those posts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Karl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Jon Peters" <jpquick@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >To: <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 4:25 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS /reply
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Karl,
> > > > > > > You have a point, but I do not believe at the
> > > > time I ordered
> > > > > >Vanagon
> > > > > > > Stickers that any of the information was available
> > > > > > > concerning non-profit. By using pay pal, is great, but
> > > > the use of
> > > > > >credit
> > > > > > > cards to pay and not receving the product for two
> > > > months without any
> > > > > >notice
> > > > > > > leaves the customer in the dark. I did not see any
> > > > indication that an
> > > > > >order
> > > > > > > list would be established and wait time. This
> > > > information would calm
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > customers for the general public is concerned about
> > using their
> > > > personal
> > > > > > > information over the internet anyway. I do appreciate
> > > > the fact that I
> > > > > >now
> > > > > > > know this was a non-profit
> > > > > > > effort. Suggestion
> > non_profitvanagon.comstickers@(your internet
> > > > service
> > > > > > > provider)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The stickers just arrived.
> > > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > > > >To: "Jon Peters" <jpquick@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS
> > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:59:58 -0700
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Hi Jon,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >First, let me explain this is entirely a volunteer
> > > > effort which was
> > > > > >done
> > > > > >to
> > > > > > > >benefit the list members. I am not making a dime off
> > > > of it, and it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > >quite deliberately set up to make the price to
> > list members as
> > > > > >affordable
> > > > > > > >as
> > > > > > > >possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The announcement went up (as I recall) in May that we
> > > > were taking
> > > > > >orders
> > > > > > > >for
> > > > > > > >stickers, which, after demand was projected (by orders
> > > > like yours),
> > > > > >were
> > > > > > > >ordered from a list member who happens to do stickers
> > > > and such as a
> > > > > > > >sideline/hobby (this also saved a considerable sum).
> > > > Whether you
> > > > paid
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > >May or in July does not really matter, since the
> > > > stickers were only
> > > > > >ordered
> > > > > > > >in late June.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Other than keeping folks like you from tearing my head
> > > > off, I am not
> > > > > >really
> > > > > > > >interested in providing customer service, as this is
> > > > not a business.
> > > > I
> > > > > >am
> > > > > > > >sure you did not realize that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Anyway, the good news is that your stickers were
> > > > mailed last Friday
> > > > I
> > > > > > > >think - could have been Thursday), and you should be
> > > > getting them
> > > > today
> > > > > >or
> > > > > > > >tomorrow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >All of the folks who have worked on the stickers have
> > > > put a lot of
> > > > > >unpaid
> > > > > > > >effort into this project, from implementing the
> > contest through
> > > > > >creating
> > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >monitoring the order form and finally production and
> > > > distribution.
> > > > > >None
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > >us had any experience in this type of endeavor before
> > > > April of this
> > > > > >year.
> > > > > > > >It's taken a while and there were definitely some
> > > > rough edges. In my
> > > > > > > >opinion, the final product is worth the wait.
> > Hope you agree.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Please let me know when you receive them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Karl Wolz
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > >From: "Jon Peters" <jpquick@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > >To: <wolzphoto@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > >Subject: 1TV48766BA833021X / JON PETERS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Karl, I never received my Vanagon Stickers! pay
> > > > > >pal#1TV48766BA833021X -I
> > > > > > > > > just happen to be employed in the computer business
> > > > and I think
> > > > two
> > > > > > > >months
> > > > > > > > > is not what I call customer service. You received
> > > > my money, you
> > > > have
> > > > > >my
> > > > > > > > > email address.(why not check your bank account &
> > > > follow up with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > customer.)
> > > > > > > > > Send(blue stickers) to: Jon Peters
> > > > > > > > > 2650 Louisiana Street
> > > > > > > > > LONGVIEW, WA 98632
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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